Are we really going to be playing the whataboutism game?
Again?
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This is important. Multiple people in this thread seem to be under the delusion that Bwom cares about consent, despite the fact that we constantly see him claiming unwilling souls.
Literally the main thing that the player character does with Bwom is promise to send him 1,000,000 unwilling servants.
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Mindless =/= enslaved.
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His point is probably that those had souls trapped in him.
Envy of Sylvanasâs growing Undead army and Fear of the world running out of Souls.
The true enemy on the other hand desires this which even the Void seems to fear!
Sylvanas is serving something that is neither Death(which Talani claims Sylvanas seems opposed to) nor Void.
Bwonsamdi doesnât give a damn if the souls he gets have consented to it or not. It just so happens the protagonists of Horde questing (The Zandalari) consent to him, so heâs depicted in a more positive light, and heâs a likable character so people are fine with itâŠ
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Oh hey, strawmanning. The blue poster did not say âScourge necromancy.â Youâre wrong, as always.
Thereâs a world quest in Nazmir with skeletons and ghosts. Donât kill a necromancer? He shoves a ghost into a skeleton, animating it.
The game continuously reinforces my argument while continuously tearing down yours.
Uh⊠Did Chronicles volume 1 come out 7 years ago? Has it really been so long?
If theyâre raised dead, they require a soul, even if the soul is just a battery to animate the bones with no sapience or awareness.
I recall seeing a post someone made on /r/WoW all about Necromancy in World of Warcraft, and they codified and cited how it functions in the universe and what is and is not considered necromancy based on those rules. I sincerely wish I could find it for these sorts of threads.
Can being the operative word.
With attached biases, a vandalism can be worse than a murder. Depending on the biases attached to what is vandalised and who is murdered.
Is an unwilling Human Soul used as fuel to empower one of Bwonsamdiâs âShadow/Deathâ attacks better off than a Tauren killed by Sylvanasâs blight and risen as a skeletal construct under her command?
There is not enough information for me to say one is worse or better without an applied bias to fill the void of information.
If some of you are saying I should be angry about Bwonsamdi, I would be if he had mass murdered the Horde and started enslaving them, too.
What information would you need to judge it without bias, in your opinion?
A lot. Iâm in the middle of errands IRL. But to start:
Do the souls of the Horde Sylvanas killed go to their afterlife, and she merely puppets Skeletal Constructs with her own considerable magic?
Or does she use the Horde souls and bind them to the skeletal constructs?
If they go to their afterlife, and she merely empowers soulless skeletal constructs with her magic - or other latent enemy souls - that could matter to some.
Can she kill a Human and use his soul to animate a Tauren skeleton? Allowing the Tauren spirit to go to their afterlife, and using the Humans soul to animate the bones of the Tauren?
When Bwonsamdi uses unwilling souls to empower himself - is it akin to a soul forge? Or some kind of Legion devouring of souls? Is he causing torture to unwilling souls given to him?
Are the Undead under Bwonsamdi mostly Troll because they have agreed to fight at his command? What does he do with the unwilling souls he had fetched for himself?
By âbetterâ or âworseâ - what happens to the souls involved and their opinion would weigh in on such a matter. And that seems unknown.
When donât we? Who doesnât?
Souls. Channeled around her and also being implanted into skeletons.
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Can you definitively state those are the souls of the Horde? This can simply be a representation of her own Necromantic magic. No souls involved.
It could also be her Necromantic Magic fueled by latent souls around Lordaeron for generations. Not necessarily those who immediately died.
It could also be Sylvanas using fallen Alliance souls as fuel to animate soulless constructs.
It could also be willing Horde souls eager to answer her call as imperfect constructs.
It is uncertain.
You have not displayed definitive evidence either way. Just conjecture.
Yes. Each skeleton requires a soul. An orc soul could be in a human skeleton, sure. But the Horde souls are being used.
Also, you know, when horde npcs die in the field and she recasts the spell to create more skeletons.
You simply say âyesâ with no evidence. There are no Red Horde or Blue Allliance symbols on any souls. We do not even know the level of soul magic used.
You simply see special effects and call them Horde souls.
Horde soldiers dying and being animated only means their flesh and bones have been animated. By your own admission, Sylvanas could have bound an Alliance soul to Horde bones. To say she is condemning Horde souls is the highest degree of conjecture.
You have no proof of what is done to any souls.
You also have no proof that 1 soul = 1 skellie.
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You didnât read my post. Iâll quote it for you again so you can actually read it this time.
Yes I do. You just lie ad nauseum to defend waifu. Iâve posted it at least fifty times. Google the wowpedia page on undead. Or donât.
Youâre wrong, either way.
I read it and you only have conjecture and head canon.
Necromancers only need a body to raise a skeleton. The amount of souls needed to raise each skellie has not been stated.
One soul could be used for 10 Skellies. Again - more conjecture.
1 soul = 1 skellie has not been stated anywhere.
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Not according to word of god. Your headcanon is ridiculously amusing. Please, continue.