off topic, but did you know the military actually has jobs for people with this talent? military intelligence specifically has people who act like human databases, their job is to memorize and know every single statistic and piece of information we track about every single enemy weapon system out there.
you could translate that to wow in PVP knowledge, someone with that skill would probably know every single class ability and every single meta combo, meaning a player on the autism spectrum could very likely be insanely good if they have the corresponding playskill.
I think he meant Arena. But for what my 2 cents is worth, the BGs in Vanilla were so exotic and wild that they aren’t even replicated by today’s version. I loved the hell out of them, and spent a gross amount of time in them.
my neighbor is like this, knows the license plate of every single car in the complex by memory, even ones from people who moved out years ago lol. its really interesting how the human mind can work
kinda sorta, they had PVP flagging, and from that TMvSS emerged, that inspired the rest of PVP. iirc they added the original honor system and warlord/marshal ranking a few patches in.
Yeah, tons of fighting in the Barrens too (and to a lesser degree, Ashenvale). You are right, the honor system wasn’t in the original release but was put in before AV and WSG were added.
Honor level is just for account-wide cosmetics. It’s not competitive at all, just sort of a time-played meter for pvp stuff. To muddy the water you have all the honor rewards for daily/weekly quests, Comp Stomp, and faction bonus differences. It’s just a carrot to keep people who care about it dabbling in pvp. I like the rank 250 mount, all my characters use it.
This still doesn’t tell me in a match how many levels they earned this xpac. But it seems like the “who cares it doesn’t matter” crowd is the majority here.
Hypothetically speaking, if I earned the 250 honor level achievement on Nov 23, 2020, and then I earned the 500 honor level achievement on Dragonflight release date, one could see that I earned about 250 honor levels during Shadowlands.
You may have justified this yourself earlier, but in all actuality your justification wasn’t really based in any sound reasoning.
I don’t think that honor level means anything at all, and when you got it doesn’t have any direct correlation to a battleground setting. Time spent in a battleground doesn’t really matter, and strategy in a random battleground is like trying to pick out patterns in cosmos when in reality it’s all just random.
I read so many dumb misconceptions, watch so many bad plays, and just see so much that make me question how low the bar actually is in random BGs that honor level really doesn’t mean anything. Healers taking orbs… questionable already, and then diving into a team fight in the center of kotmogu. Bad gameplay mechanics, people wiping a team fight then the entire team rushing to a cart that will cap before they even arrive. Nothing about honor level matters.
It’s just a time metric, similar to how prestige was in the early COD days. I never prestiged because I enjoyed my M4 and had no reason to go re-unlock it. My K:D mattered a helluva lot more than resetting everything.
But that’s why subdividing by expansion makes sense. As for your assertion that it means nothing at all, that’s by definition incorrect. But I’d be curious to know what you do think matters. If Shadowlands did nothing else it showed us that even Arena Rank and IO Score don’t matter. Carries, boosts, manipulation - if anything Honor has bearing since you can’t cheese it. You have to play. And it’s account wide.
Ahh yes finally we get to the reasoning behind why you care…
Look man, nobody is going to acknowledge honor level and think it is a direct correlation to skill. Hell nobody looks at CR or EXP either and thinks it’s skill. I get the same amount, if not more flak now than before I was 2700 exp. My gladiator titles don’t mean jack squat to like 95% of the playerbase, nor does my hero. I still get S#%* by random nobodies for things entirely out of my control, their mistakes, etc.
People like you just want to shift the qualifier of what is perceived as a good player by others.
What I think matters? If I actually care who I queue with and I don’t know them these are the things I check:
Win/Loss
3v3 exp because 2v2 literally means F all.
Achievement dates on that character
Recent EXP
Amount of games played
CR
These are the only important metrics when determining skill without seeing actual gameplay.
The only thing I assume about someone based on their honor level is that, if they have a low honor level then they’re probably new to the game, or at least to PvP. Even that isn’t really something one can reliably assume though, because some people might start fresh on a new Battle.net account, or maybe they played a lot but quit before Legion, etc.
Having a relatively high honor level doesn’t mean much; I went up 100 honor levels in about a month due to solo shuffle. (If I hadn’t stopped I’d probably be at least honor level 500 by now)