Should we have Skinwalkers in WoW?

That is a fair point.

But the way I see it, it’s best to play it safe and take that high profile communication of discontent as valid until / unless there’s some sort of official consensus released on the subject.

Strawman much. We were being so civil, why the sudden mockery?

It’s not bad, it’s subjective. You poll 100 Navajo and you’ll likely get a range of opinions. Also, I disagree that one group’s wishes outweigh another’s. I also disagree with the basic premise of cultural appropriated. I also disagree that’s it’s important, if I’m wrong and it’s a “thing”, relative to other things.

Good call here. You merit civility. I meant the above as a comment towards an amalgam of posters in my head that posted something in this same vein.

I meant to be snarky but it wasn’t pointed at you. I didn’t communicate that well though. My apologies.

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Ok then I have a question. If skinwalker is so general even though it is used to be part of a specific culture, should then tolken elves be allowed to be anything then? Does this go both ways? U cant have the pie and deny others the slices. Elves of all forms are now very general and have been in all cultures. Even my friends in Philippines can name the Silmirillion. When does culture became “ general norm” and for all to use and when does it not? :cloud_with_rain: :thinking:

I never said that anyone’s wishes outweigh another. If you’ll notice I said “Native Americans who don’t care about how their culture is represented,” there will be always people who don’t care about how their culture is represented. So that could mean it could be done in a well-informed respectful way, or in a mocking way that’s meant to insult, and they won’t care either way. Neutrality to how they’re being represented. So if someone does not care if their representation is positive or negative, why disregard the one’s that do?

To my knowledge, there’s not any vocal Native Americans who are asking for people to represent them in stereotypical ways that are normally regarded as harmful. If a group has two main opinions that are contradictory, then personally I would rather just not touch it. However, I’m referring to people who are indifferent vs. people who care and want their culture to be respected. It’s not that one group of thought is more important, it’s that one group of thought isn’t bothered while another is. Does that make sense?

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I really doubt OP even had the Navajo in mind. Probably just though about a generic term for shape-shifter that sounded less savoury (Like the God-skin apostles in Elden Ring, which are literally draped in skin).

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What’s the difference between a ‘Skinwalker’ and an evil Tauren druid or shaman who hunts and kills his own people while in animal form? Is it merely the application of the word?

oh man, I remember Vanilla Escort Quests, they could be horror stories in and of themselves

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I’m gonna be honest, I had my mind on Creepypastas :skull_and_crossbones:

Harmful, I agree, but that’s also up for debate as to what could be called harmful and what harmful even means when it comes to ideas.

Also, using generalities is the only way you can portray a collection of people. You have to take a simplified suite of widely held characteristics and go with it. If you actually look at all the individual differences and nuances you then lose whatever it was that made that collection a “people group” in the first place.

…the hunter paused, and lowered his bow. It suddenly struck him that there was something terribly wrong about the stag that had stepped out into the clear. All the other animals in the vicinity had gone quiet when it appeared, an odd thing to do unless there was a predator about. The way it had turned and looked directly towards him, though he was well-concealed in the brush, and the wind was blowing towards him, carrying his scent away from his target. It’s eyes… there was something about it’s eyes… that, and the long thin wooden planks attached to it’s feet along with the long poles it carried in it’s forehooves.

Then, all the old legends his grandfather had told him only late at night and in the safety of the center of camp burst forth from his childhood memories and flooded the hunter with sheer terror…

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Yes, I made sure to specify “regarded as harmful,” any generalization of a group could be labeled a stereotype, whether it’s positive, negative, or neutral. I realize a stereotype is not always harmful. And you’re correct that while we can group people together and try to cover them with a blanket statement, their still individuals at the end of the day with their own opinions and thoughts on these issues.

But that’s kind of the issue isn’t it? If you want to be respectful of a group, how do you know who to listen to? They’re not a monolith or hivemind, there’s likely to be individuals with polar opposite opinions and most of the group is going to fall somewhere in between. So how do you devide who to listen to? We could debate back and forth all day on it, but I think in the end, it’s up to the individual to decide. And clearly, everyone has thoughts on the decision other’s have landed on. There’s no right or wrong answer, but there’s no answer where people will be okay with every answer given either. It’s a situation where you can’t please everybody.

/Eye roll

What a time we live in where everything is “appropriated” and we can’t draw inspiration from anything without someone getting offended.

Thank God avatar the last airbender came out in 05.

/Eye roll again

Well-played.

I fix all this by dealing with people as individuals and not worrying about things like cultural appropriation. I treat people with respect and dignity and stay out of toxic cesspools like twitter. This place is my only online hobby.

I deal with people as they are, not ideas of what they should be because they possess certain characteristics or backgrounds. I hold stereotypes lightly and dismiss or revise them when given actual data by an individual.

Edit: I also just realized you are a different female drenai warlock from the previous poster named Luxuria.

Twitter is for p[word too traumatizing for prudes], not debates.

We Draenei Warlocks are everywhere now :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Not like they weren’t everywhere in WoD.

Did we not ascend from the Shadowlands?

I hear creepypasta I think SCPs lol

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that show should really have gone for more than one season… same thing with Winchester. Ticks me off to no end that the writers strike killed that show.

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