I don’t think it’s worth discussing because no one is going to change their minds unwillingly.
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respect for other people is basically communism so it’s anti-american
I really enjoyed the mind flayer lovecraft vibes in BFA. Would definitely love more horror aspects in the game of some form, maybe not that particular one for the sake of avoiding drama.
I think you cannot avoid drama in our current moment. If an artist uses avoiding drama as their North Star, nothing cool will ever get made. This is a game. Its job is to be cool and entertaining. Irritating a couple of people online is a given.
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This concept would kill all discussion. The goal is that someone would change their mind WILLINGLY, or come away with a better understanding of their position or the other person’s.
I go wee as I duck this conversation
Weeeeeeeeeeeee
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Alrighty. No skin off my back.
only if I can get a Ranch with it included portals and UAPS 
Sorry, I meant at this point. I didn’t mean not having discussion in general. I apologize for that.
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That would be sooooo creepy! And awesome!
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I agree with this. I think what Blizz did in Drustvar was a great step in that direction. I love body horror and cosmic horror.
I would happily welcome more of it.
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Everything was civil here. Why do you have to be that way?
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Fair enough. And almost certainly correct.
While this is a fair take, there are people who will treat others according to how they perceive them, regardless of how true or untrue their perception is. We make assumptions, we fill in the gaps. While you don’t think it should happen, that doesn’t stop it from happening. It will never not happen, and thay should be accounted for.
You can talk all day about the individual, remaining neutral, and dismissing stereotypes, that doesn’t change the fact that a majority of people aren’t doing that. Our brains are constantly picking up on things we might not even realize, it’s looking for familiarity in previous experiences to compare the current situation to. It’s nice that you can override all that, but not everyone can. So while there’s nothing wrong with your persepective, it’s also unrealistic to think that everyone will think the way you do. Whether or not you think they should or should not do something is one thing. Basing your entire argument on how you alone thinks makes it weak in the grand scheme of things because regardless of how much you want to think of the individual, a lot of the world is thinking in terms of groups.
A lot of marketing tries to target a certain demographic, age and gender being quite common, but also specific hobbies and interests like knitting, video games, and so on. While they are trying to get inidividuals interested in their product, they’re not using a fishing pole to do it, they’re throwing a net in hopes that the marketing is generic enough to appeal to multiple people in that group. To give an actual example, take Barbie, marketed mostly towards younger girls. She can be just about anything, while she has plenty of nice, fashionable clothes (because that’s something girls and women all care about, right?), she’s also been shown as having a vast variety of jobs, from astronaut to veterinarian, doctor, florist, paleontologist, and so so so many more (like way more than I ever realized). There’s likely to be a Barbie out there who also happens to have the dream job of many different young girls, it’s not gonna be the same job for every young girl, so the more they add to the list, the more likely a young girl will be excited to see that Barbie works her dream job. Will every young girl like and want a Barbie? No, but she’s popular for a reason, her marketting casts a wide enough net at the target audience to appeal to a lot different individuals. However, all these different jobs aren’t represented buying Barbie clothes, no, each one comes with their very own Barbie in a case. So you have something popular, with many iterations, and an easy way to display them, you know what unintended group that grabs the attention of? Collectors, adults. While these adults and collectors are likely to have had an interest in Barbie before, most likely owning one as a child themselves. They have aged out of the target demographic, but continue to purchase Barbies because it’s an important toy to them and they want to expand their collection. You have individuals that can be grouped together by one or two things all flocking to one product.
Now is there a difference between marketing and people’s perceptions of others? Sure, but just as companies are not researching a singular individual to market to, people aren’t constantly going out of their way to try to prove or disprove their own biases toward a specific perceived group. A lot of people aren’t taking the time to think of the inividuals that make up a group of any demographic. They can recognize that there are inividuals, and that they could be very different to how they perceive people within that group. But even that is a generalization, the larger group you put people in, the more differences you’ll find amongst the individual. It’s not a hard concept to understand, but that doesn’t mean assumptions about the ‘average’ thoughts/opinions within that group aren’t there.
You wanna know what a big pet peeve of mine is that was actually pretty common to happen in school (for me)? People taking something of mine then asking to borrow it. The likelihood of me letting someone borrow something if they ask first is extremely high. The moment someone takes it then asks, that likelihood of me saying yes has plummeted severely.
Now, I know that the concept of the skinwalker is not a tangible thing, and you can’t exactly own concepts. However, I suppose a good indicator of whether permission is necessary is this question, is it just a story to the Navajo people, or is it something they are legitimately worried about? While I can’t answer that myself, I get pretty annoyed when things I have to actively worry about are made light of. And while I’m one person, one individual if you will, unless I’m with a small group of people, no one is going to stop solely on my behalf. It’s only when a large amount of people, a group if you will, makes an uproar. If a company wanted to use the Navajo skinwalkers in a story, game, so on and so forth, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities for them to ask Navajo people how they feel about it. An individual working on an independent project could still ask, they may not be able to hear from as many people, but it’s not like it’s impossible to ask.
You can reject and deny that all you want, that doesn’t mean the rest of the world does too. And the world revolves around you and your ideas as it does around me and my ideas.
Sure, that isn’t wrong to think, but that doesn’t mean you or anyone else can’t be disrespectful while doing it. But yes, yes, we were only talking about whether permission is needed or not. However, what good is a conversation on if you should or should not do something if you don’t talk about the why?
While you don’t have to have to take into consideration other’s feelings when doing things, that doesn’t you shouldn’t. You can listen to someone’s reasoning for having those feelings, you don’t also get to decide if they should or should not feel that way. You can not take into account how they feel sure, or you can and decide that it will not change your stance, as is your right to do so. That doesn’t mean people won’t act accordingly in their best interest. Based off that statement alone, I would be hesitant to interact with you on a more personal basis because whether you mean it in such a way or not, it sounds like you decide whether or not you want to respect a boundary. Is that true, I have no idea, but that’s kind of the thing, we can’t always ascertain things about an inividual and we make assumptions. I owe no one the time for them to prove that they aren’t how I perceive them, if someone says something that makes me feel uncomfortable, I do not owe it to them to let them prove thag I shouldn’t be uncomfortable. People make assumptions, there’s many reasons they may make assumptions, whether you think they should or not.
While I don’t necessarily understand your way of thinking fully, I do appreciate the mature discussion on this subject as a whole.
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I just honestly don’t care. Let them add whatever they like. Any Natives Americans who get offended would like already be offended by being portrayed as minotaurs in game and thus not be playing in the first place. Members of an outgroup culture don’t have to follow the beliefs of that culture; those that mistake how such a belief is portrayed in a video game for the real deal are stupid and shouldn’t be taken seriously; and those who are genuinely intrigued and WANT to know more about the real deal will go ask actual members of that culture about the truth.
If you disagree, don’t bother arguing, just put me on ignore.
What most of you are not realizing is in the Americas there is a difference between shape shifting & being a skin walker.
Saying it is in game, that would be the shape shifting part for Druids.
Skin walkers are another thing entirely.
why would anyone ever care about that.
Evil druids exist in WoW. And dragons have their visage form. Dragons are powerful and if they hide their true nature, they can do a lot of damage if they want such as Onyxia did. A reason why we see so many dragons with large horns on their visage for is to avoid hiding their nature. This is not mandatory but common curtsey in an effort to not deceive mortals. And magic illusions could perhaps be use for shape changing use. There are several toys that allow us to temporarily appear as something else.
So a Dreadlord but not a demon.