Should I kick this person?

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I feel in a tough spot at the moment, the situation at the moment is that I got at odds with a guild officer of mine, because they wanted to lead the guild another way to what I did, I want to recruit lots of people, they didn’t, they were of the view they wanted a small tight-knit guild, but from my view I want a large guild for a number of reasons.

I guess for me, there are three main reasons, more people to do wow content with at various times of day certainly, but also it goes deeper then that, yeah there are idiots and morons on the internet, and believe me some people on the internet do drive me to rage to the point where I wish I could throw them into the Maw when they die and have a laugh as their souls are obliterated from existence, this is part of why I’m considering a break from the internet honestly as I’m sick of running into people that make me hate them that much.

Even so, for every person you meet that you end up hating and wish could throw into hell you meet a small few worthy of Heaven, due to the way they can become great friends and support you in your life in other ways too, those are my primary motivations beyond just having people around for wow stuff. Anyway this officer was constantly contradicting me and arguing with me over the point, trying to tell me that yeah I’m the GM but the guild is not just about me and all this other nonsense, luckily I was able to get most of my other officers and guildies on my side before I could safely demote him without much consequence.

However, I did have one officer that then promoted him back up to a higher rank, and she’s an officer that yeah I was okay friends with and get along with fine, but I don’t know if he said crap to her while I wasn’t looking, and will try turn her against me, I don’t want to be mean and kick a person out of guild completely, I only fired him from officer rank, but I do admit I fear if I keep this person around he will be a trouble maker that will constantly cause issues, I don’t want to be mean and g-kick, this isn’t like that random in the maw that insulted me in the Maw the other day that I thought nothing of just ditching him and letting the Mawsworn deal with him, but I think I may have to make a brutal choice here.

What would you do in my position? Thanks in advance for the advice, even if I don’t like it.

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I didn’t even read your post but yes

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Okay thanks for the advice, you are probably right, he could be a real trouble maker if I keep him around.

I normally wouldn’t mind keeping him around if he is constantly insulting me behind my back and challenging my authority as I can get the guild settings to keep him in his place, but if he trying to turn officers against me, then it may be time to let him go.

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TLDR, so yes.

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In my guild, the officer corps is a group of friends who have played this game together for over a decade, so I can’t really relate to this level of guild drama.

But this concerned me:

None of that was nonsense. The guild isn’t just about the GM, and depending on the size of your guild and the level of bond you have together, if you boot this guy for disagreeing with you, you may very well find yourself with a disbanded guild.

Think very carefully about this before you do it. If you want the guild to get bigger, but literally no one else in a leadership role agrees with you…you have to decide whether to recognize that it isn’t about just you or whether you want to go start over with another group of folks.

Edited to add: The person I’d boot is the one who promoted someone after you demoted them. That’s not cool. At all.

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I read the post and I also vote yes.

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It seems like your vision (as GM of the Guild) is different than what he wants. Then he should be in a different Guild that suits his preferences. Set him free to go find that new Guild. You may loose a few others in his wake, but better that than a constant struggle to get your goals accomplished in the Guild.

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The officer that argues all the time needs to go dude. Yeah bye bye time for sure.

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Honestly if you and your officers agreed to demote him, and then one of them repromoted him, without speaking to you and the other officers, I’d be having a talk with my officers about removing both of them or at least demoting both.

Differences of opinion happen in guilds but the officers and GM need to be able to work together and set the pace and example.

If an officer isn’t keeping with the rest of the groups decisions its just going to cause trouble.

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I read this post elsewhere but now you couch the language differently. In the other post you mentioned kicking him out of the guild because you couldn’t agree, despite the fact he’d been there for years. Now you’ve given this entire scenario a new coat of paint and I’m not sure which one to believe.

If I were to believe what you now write - I guess the best way is to have a good conversation with him and find some middle ground - keep peace in the valley. If you kick him, you might lose more core players that way. Surely, you can have adult conversation and find a reasonable solution.

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I’d have a talk with the other officer at least. Promoting a recently demoted person (by the GM no less) is shady. Ask what’s up.

As for the troublemaker, I’d just keep him demoted indefinitely. No kicking needed, just let him leave on his own or simmer for all eternioty. No reason to risk a mass exodus because of the perception of a GM kicking nilly willy because someone didn’t agree with them.

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I don’t remember you being so drama oriented as a poster. Maybe I have you confused with someone else.

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It really depends on thr type of person that officer is. Was/is he the type to just complain all.day about how they thought things would be better, or the type to put in his input and would honor what the larger group decided?

I’d also add that you speak to the person who repromoted him. Ask her why did she do it? Did he ask possibly saying it was an accident so she obliged thinking it was an honest mistake he lost rank, or was she directly going against your decision knowingly? These would be the important questions I’d like answered if I was in your situation.

We can’t just assume that 1 or 2 arguments or differing opinions makes a person bad, but more the character of the person. We owe it to each other to think better of each other, and let them prove they are bad for lack of a better word then just assume it.

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If you want a guild with as many people as you can get , I would remove him and replace him with someone new, if anyone else leaves replace them too.

The bigger the guild the more people will come and go, might as well get used to it now.

Officers should have different opinions in a Cpt Picard and Ryker point of view but they shouldn’t fight every decision you make especially the fundamental mantra of what you want the guild to have.

I hope that helps

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I didn’t read any of it, but yes kick him if he’s Bloodelf. All Bloodelves are evil.

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Yes, kick any guild member threatening your authority.

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You need to be firm, but fair. If people learn they can roll you, it will be nothing but trouble. Sometimes when you are the boss you have to fire people. Comes with the territory.

First guy needs to learn, your guild, your rules. That doesn’t mean you are a jerk. You need to listen to people, set a direction and be fair. Once the direction is chosen, he needs to be quiet and deal with it or leave. The second person stepped out of line. Just because she can promote, doesn’t mean she should have. But, to be fair, did you make clear your desires to the other officer folks in the guild? Like, I have demoted this person for these reasons, so I adding him back as an officer is off the table?

Side note: There used to be a forum for guild leadership topics. Blizzard removed it. I am salty about that, just like I am still salty about them removing the tank/heal role forums…

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I read the entirety of the post, complete with voice acting and not taking breaths until a sentence ended (that was a rough one for sure)… and yes.

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There are other guilds… he should find one that suits what he’s looking for, not try to change one by undermining the GM.

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Good Lord the drama of all that. lol

You need to make it clear how your guild is run and exactly what you want out of it. Officers should have clear rules as to what they can do and should be aware of the guild goals and direction. If they think differently, then discuss it as a group and see how the majority feels.

The guild isn’t about you. It is about the entire group. So everyone needs to decide what they think is best for the entire guild. You get the final say, but everyone needs taken into account for the stability and health of the guild itself. They all need to understand the majority direction and decide if they fit in from there.

If your officers aren’t people you’re close to and can trust, they shouldn’t be your officers.

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