Not being able to use it back to back because it has a cooldown does not constitute anything. You are wrong. Sorry. Good night.
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Sure it does, it means you cant dump your runic power with it. Can you dump your runes with Army of the Dead? It uses runes.
I saw all the other posters complaining about you. And now I get it.
Sorry, but I don’t have time for your trolling.
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Broken clock and all, he’s right this time : GA having a cooldown doesn’t make it a reliable AoE RP spender, you’ll most likely still Frost strike on AoE here and there or just sit doing nothing.
Gathering Storm has synergy with conduits, FS has conduits, leaving GA further behind. Now GA applying RI might push it up, in a scenario where you use Hysteria as a rune, but that remains to be seen how much better or worse than GS it is.
It is absolutely a reliable RP spender. It costs RP. Its deals AoE damage. The cooldown is short with haste, allowing you to use most if not all your RP on GA instead of Frost Strike.
As I have said multiple times now…If it were tuned better, we would use it.
Gathering Storm is better value, so we use that instead. That’s the end of the story.
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They don’t understand that RP generation has been nerfed into the ground. You need supplimental RP gen in order to make Icy Talons sustainable, in a full haste set after the 9.0 changes, which should say something about how much we have to work with. You aren’t really getting enough to slam back to back Frost Strikes.
100% of your RP can be spent on GA. That’s just a fact. Go on the PTR and test it if you don’t believe him or me.
Like I said, you’re still going to use FS on AoE, or else you’re just going to sit there waiting for runes to recharge every other odd GCD.
I mean, go try it out to see how it plays, if on AoE you spend only with GA and skip FS use entirely, you’re going to have downtime.
Yeah, I have beta buddy. I can test this stuff out. Everyone has PTR too.
You’re forgetting that skipping FS to wait on GA to spend RP means less RE, which means less OB/FSC/HB which means less RP generation, meaning sure, you’re not over capping RP, but you’re also not generating as many runes or RP.
What is this madness? If you spec for GA, you’re gonna use it for AoE…
Chance to proc RE is increased for GA because it costs more RP.
You’re not skipping RS to wait on GA. You are simply replacing FS with GA for multiple targets. They could remove the cooldown on GA and it wouldn’t change anything.
Yes, you’re going to use it. I didn’t say otherwise.
But you’re using it less freqently.
I can fit FS very easily at level 50 between GAs without overcapping runes.
It would be an interesting change for Blizzard to make if they updated Howling Blast to interact with runic power. Say for instance that using howling blast by it’s self, with no proc, will consume a rune as per usual for normal damage it does now. BUT, if you get a howling blast proc, then it not only is free, but also consumes runic power to increase total AOE and single target damage.
Obviously this wouldn’t be the best solution for a runic AOE spender, as it wouldn’t always be using runic power, but it’s another way they could update abilities to interact more with runic power instead of frost strike being the only spender. Maybe it would work if it would consume ALL runic power to increase damage by 100% or something like that.
Then frost strike could be replaced with Frost Scythe, and runic power could be used by howling blast for some juicy AoE or Single Target applications.
Bruh, Just cos it’s your only RP spender, does not make it a dump.
Dumping is to offload resources ASAP.
That means Frost Strike is a dump as I can spam that to go from 100 - 0 RP very quickly.
GA has a 6 second CD which means you aren’t dumping with it. Because if you’re back to back on GA then you’re wasting GCDs. To go from 100 - 0 with GA is not quick. So it is not a dump.
I don’t even get why GA has a 6 second cooldown anyhow.
Probably something to do with Razorice…
Although if they removed that CD… would make it decent for 2H to subvert the runeforge maybe…
Bro, that’s not how the spec is played. If you are “dumping” RP in that manner, then you are doing it wrong. You would most likely be over-capping runes or delaying KM procs.
So, using that definition, Frost does not have a RP dump unless you count BoS.
That isn’t the point.
So if you need another example.
Chaos Bolt. It is a Soul Shard Dump.
Because Back to backing Chaos Bolts to dump of your shards IS how Destro is played.
Terminology does not care HOW you play the game or how you are meant to play.
A sword is still a Sword even if you use the flat of it to mace someone across the head.
It’s absolutely the point. You’re saying FS is a “dump” but GA isn’t. We do not spam either of them. So either they are both a RP dump or neither are a RP dump. Make up your mind.
Chaos Bolt would be a bad example. You are calling Chaos Bolt a dump when you rarely cast it back to back because you want to use Conflagrate to apply the cast time reduction whenever possible, which goes against the defining characteristic of what you consider a dump?
Let me ask you this. Using your definition of “dump”, Execute for Fury would not qualify because it has a cooldown?
It happens quite often in the course of the normal rotation where I’m using FS back to back to dump RP without overcapping runes or wasting Procs.
15 sec CD Execute? Correct it is not a dump.
Neither is Rampage because you press it once.
And you are still Wrong. Frost Strike is a Dump. Glacial Advance isn’t.
How do you not get it? It’s explained clear as day.
Just because “You don’t do this in optimal play” does not mean it is not a dump
I mean, I don’t know why the semantics are such a topic for debate.
A dump means that : dump, mash that button and the ressources go away. The proper term for an ability with a ressource cost and cooldown is a Spender. Both Frost Strike and Glacial Advance are Runic spenders. One just happens to have no cooldown and be used to dump RP really fast.
Fury’s Execute is a 6 sec cooldown. Same as Glacial Advance.
And if any ability should be considered a “dump”, that would be Rampage. You are literally dumping most of your Rage. I’m not sure where people are getting this extremely narrow definition for dump, but it is quite amusing.