Should essences be removed in 8.3?

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

It is just annoying. It is wrath glyphs with pointless grinds attached. I have no desire to do rated pvp or daily quests to mythic raid.

The real question is why are these non related or trivial time gates needed?

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

That’s not what he said, that’s entirely too aggressive of an accusation, and you’re a liar for attempting to represent him as such.

That is exactly what he said and is claiming.

Then they can take 2-3 weeks (less probably with the 8.3 nerfs) to grind out it as they gear up. FFS you just have to play the game, the horror.

So then why stop there? Why not come onto the forums and yell at blizzard for making gear catchups in the new patch? Or tell blizzard to stop implementing AK for AP? You guys are only upset about essences catchup proposals but are totally silent in all the other catchup mechanics.

I and most people I play with are huge fans of the system. It added another layer of much needed choice and complexity to classes, and frankly it was a fun little grind that motivated you to branch out a little bit into all forms of content if you wanted to maximize power as quickly as possible. Very healthy for the game.

My circles of friends say the complete opposite. People that do not like to pvp are being forced to pvp. The forum posts came in of people just afking in battle grounds because they were only there to get essences. Forcing people to do things they do not like does not make them like it but rather hate it more.

People who played the game a few weeks before the patch comes out will have a short-lived advantage over those just showing up? Feature not a bug.

You mean changing the catchup formula that has worked for wow for the last 8 years is a good idea? Then getting upset at people for calling Blizz out on the BS? Catch up mechanics have always been a part of this game.

Calm yourself.

Get over yourself.

[Aédan-area-52]

The real question is why are these non related or trivial time gates needed?

Because it’s literally the game man. It is the fundamental, core, get out and go do the story and see the world. There isn’t a game without it.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

Because it’s literally the game man. It is the fundamental, core, get out and go do the story and see the world. There isn’t a game without it.

No it is not. It was never a fundamental part of the game to grind pathfinder +pvp+daily quests+mechagon dungeon+ reputations to exalted on every single alt you play in order to be viable to push keys with and not be a liability in raiding content. Sure you can be a liability and drag the team to only keying it with 5 seconds left if thats what you want to be i guess

[Metroman-greymane]

Honestly, like pathfinder. If it is unlocked on your main it should be unlocked on alts. Unless they are faction walled then you should have to grind those separately.

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

I demand that pet battles give a 40% dps buff to each class for completing a thousand of them.

Its the game man!

[Aédan-area-52]

That is exactly what he said and is claiming.

It is not. It’s…a bit disturbing to see you commit to such a morally repugnant action over something so trivial.

So then why stop there?

Complete nonsense argument. This is a good balance that works, that’s why.

You guys are only upset about essences catchup proposals but are totally silent in all the other catchup mechanics.

Why not just issue everyone a full set of 475 bis gear when they log in on 8.3 day? See how ridiculous a comparison it is. This works, its a fair level of effort, making it easy to catch up while rewarding prior effort with temporary advantage. And they are instituting catch mechanics for the essences.

The forum posts came in of people just afking in battle grounds

Largely lies and exaggerations.

Get over yourself.

You need to learn how to disagree with someone civilly. Your behavior is very poor. Please become a good person.

on every single alt you play

That’s your problem. Too many alts. Mains get advantages, unless you want to put in a good deal of extra effort. Focus on one or two, work your tail off, or be mediocre. Perfectly fair and sound design.

[Maizou-proudmoore (Maizou)]

I’ve been playing my “Gimped out the gate” DK with Rank 1 essences, not even 3 slots open.

I tanked a +11 key on it, with 2 Rank 1 essences.

You guys need to get over it, you don’t need to have BiS day 1 an alt reaches level 120.

Try healing a +10 or above without the Mechagon Essence.

Things are balanced around it now. Plain and Simple. They balanced things around essences.

You tanked a +11 with a rank 1 essence? Good for you.

YOU’RE ALSO A MYTHIC RAIDER WHO HAS 8/8 MYTHIC CLEARED AND CUTTING EDGE But sure, let’s leave that out so people think that you totally are an average player who is capable of tanking with the bare minimum.

https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Beraaht

^ His main, for people curious. So anyone trying to use him as evidence needs to take a step back.

[Beaupeep-draka (Beaupeep)]

People who have played this game long enough know what an alt grind is

Just going to point out I started playing back in Vanilla. I took a break before the first patch in Cata. Cata sucked. I came back late WoD because I heard about Legion.

I know all about grinds from way back then.

Honestly, they’ve gotten better over the years. This new leveling experience they are planning in Shadowlands is a GREAT step in the right direction.

There are always gearing speed ups now, which they didn’t really have before I left.

The essences aren’t really necessary unless you are doing the hardest content. Anything less than that can be done with appropriate gear with gems and enchants (and sometimes not even those).

And then there is this:

you’ll have to play the game to have power in the game. The broader and deeper you go, the more power you have access to.

He’s right about that. Playing the game might feel like a “grind” to some people, but then maybe this isn’t a game for those people, because getting that “grind” out of this game probably won’t ever happen.

[Darthvixen-terokkar (Darthvixen)]

they’re going to be kaput eventually.

such is my apathy with the the ‘to let’ power progression system

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

I want you to name three grinds from classic to lets say cata that did not involve a legendary weapon and gave extensive power not available anywhere else.

I am willing to give you classic pvp.

[Aédan-area-52]

^ His main, for people curious.

Never seen people try to shame someone for being good before. That’s new.

You tanked a +11 with a rank 1 essence? Good for you.

Dude you realize that most of us did 15s in crap essences the first week right? And killed mythic bosses with them? We didn’t have the nice stuff we have now until a few weeks into the tier/season. Spend an hour a day for a couple weeks just playing the freaking game and get your essences maxed, or play better, or both. Progression is part of the game.

There are always gearing speed ups now, which they didn’t really have before I left.

Oh were you looking to run the new Naxx raid that came out? MC is that way, see ya never, because BC will be out before you’re ready. People today eh?

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

It is not. It’s…a bit disturbing to see you commit to such a morally repugnant action over something so trivial.

The only thing repugnant is your attempt at trying to mislabel his statements.

Complete nonsense argument. This is a good balance that works, that’s why.

Its not good balance. Its a new system completely foreign to all things wow pre 8.2 that you are trying to masquerade as a viable normal. Its not balanced and its not good. Its the most lazy content thats ever been introduced to obtain power progression.

Why not just issue everyone a full set of 475 bis gear when they log in on 8.3 day? See how ridiculous a comparison it is. This works, its a fair level of effort, making it easy to catch up while rewarding prior effort with temporary advantage. And they are instituting catch mechanics for the essences.

Except no one is asking for 475 bis gear on alts. You will have a hard time finding a serious forum post asking for that. Meanwhile people like you are arguing against catch up mechanics for this 8.2 system many people despise. The catch up mechanics do not address peoples underlying issues with the essences so they do not go far enough and still require 75% of the original grind. The original grind and the content its purporting to be “fun” and “entertaining” loses its charm after the first grind. End game fun will always be in endgame activities. I do not consider doing the same world quest for the 18th time a fun activity as it poses no challenge.

he forum posts came in of people just afking in battle grounds

Largely lies and exaggerations.

Nope its real and you refuse to acknowledge it. Its not a epidemic because most people wont bother with pvp if they do not like it.

You need to learn how to disagree with someone civilly. Your behavior is very poor. Please become a good person.

I have been very civil. Get over yourself.

That’s your problem. Too many alts. Mains get advantages, unless you want to put in a good deal of extra effort. Focus on one or two, work your tail off, or be mediocre. Perfectly fair and sound design.

That is your problem. You want to accept everything blizzard gives you without questioning it. If something is not fun but I am paying for it why cant I have disagreements. In terms of design its garbage. Mains will always have advantages over alts in that gear mains have will be BIS over alts. The essences grind was created to time lock people to grinding time played for blizzards stock meetings. The entire grind is neither challenging or fun. Its complete garbage and whoever decided to attach rep and HK to power progression needs to find another job, probably in the military because thats the only other place that will accept mindless arbitrary and pointless grinds.

[Aédan-area-52]

I have been very civil. Get over yourself.

I’m done with you since you can’t behave yourself.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

I’m done with you since you can’t behave yourself.

More like you ran out of arguments and are just projecting your insecurity on me to give yourself an excuse out. Its pretty obvious.

[Baspirath-sargeras]

^ His main, for people curious.

If you had taken the time to go through my main’s Mythic+ run, you’d have found multiple +10 and over with Healers not having the Mechagon essence. Heck, you’d have seen my only +15, our healer was 421 with only 1 Rank 1 essence.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

If you had taken the time to go through my main’s Mythic+ run, you’d have found multiple +10 and over with Healers not having the Mechagon essence. Heck, you’d have seen my only +15, our healer was 421 with only 1 Rank 1 essence.

Ok how many +15s have you done with 2-3 dps holding level 1 essences?

[Beaupeep-draka (Beaupeep)]

As soon as you name a single one that was NECESSARY.

There isn’t a single one that was.

[Baspirath-sargeras]

Biggest lie of the expansion. No one will have bis gear by getting essences easier. Essences are a part of the grind, a big part but not the whole grind. 80% of the grind is baked into rings, trinkets, bis stat gear, azerite power and a bunch of 8.3 grinds like the legendary cloak and corruption management. You are a liar to claim a person gets bis everything if they get essences.

What ? Why are you calling me a liar and throwing insults, when the issue is you didn’t even read my post ?

I didn’t say Essences gave you BiS, I said you don’t need “BiS”, as in gear/essences/trinkets to start playing alts. Alts can gear up, essence up, Azerite up just fine. I’m working on like my 4th at this point, since the patch has been going for so long.

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

Well thank you for agreeing with my point. Kind of a passive aggressive way to do it but thank you.