Should DH be nerfed?

[Finders-tichondrius]

my heart bleeds blood for the blood god

[Zatoichisan-kelthuzad]

@Adroi-tichondrius

My guy, since you insist.

There are two separate items in my response and you are linking them together.

First item.

@Adroi-tichondrius

Not true. Most of the melee specs can’t just run los and hope for the best.

That is my response.

I’m not your guy. Where I am from calling someone my guy is not very nice. I also do not see people saying that online in a nice way. I said

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

It’s too easy for all melee to peel out and retreat.

You said

@Adroi-tichondrius

Not true. Most of the melee specs can’t just run los and hope for the best.

I took that as you saying what I said was not true. Because, you admit to disagreeing with me and then building off of by saying

@Adroi-tichondrius

Most of the melee specs can’t just run los and hope for the best.

So you disagree, it is not too easy for all melee to peel out and retreat. Because

@Adroi-tichondrius

What makes DH really good here is…

I took that as you saying what makes DH really good at running los and hoping for the best is

@Adroi-tichondrius

just can immediately fel rush twice and be entirely los or w/e is killing you. It would be like giving hunters two disengages or warriors two leaps.

How does that make what I said about all melee, not true. I said casters have too much ability to peel out and retreat too. That everyone is very mobile compared to TBC.

So what you are actually saying is that melee do not have to many ways to peel and retreat because rogues and DHs can do it easier than others. Because some DHs with bad ideas, think it is ok to blindly run behind a pillar by themselves and try not to get 3v1’d?

Great, I disagree is what I am saying. How am I confused as to what you were saying, when you just repeated what I said you were saying?

Also

@Adroi-tichondrius

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

I get you want DHs nerfed. Maybe they do need a nerf. But me saying all melee can disengage from a fight to easily, does not mean that DHs running being a pillar los and hoping for the best is ok. No one should be doing that. No one ever said it was ok. It’s bad gameplay and I don’t think anyone who is serious about winning a match on any class would do that.

I didn’t say you said that.

What are you saying? Do you or do not think DHs need nerfed?

Do you think that melee in general have too much trouble disengaging from fights?

Do you think it is ok for any spec to be able to run behind a pillar los and hope for the best?

Do you think that is good gameplay?

I do not know what you are argueing about. All I said was melee and casters have too much mobility. But you disagree because rogues and DHs can do it easier.

I do not know if that is sound logic. If two classes can do it easier but all can do it, do you think all specs should have an easier time because one does?

And that is why it’s not too easy for all classes?

If you had just said you disagree, you think that melee and casters are not too mobile, I would understand. But you said you disagree that they are not too mobile nowadays because rogues and Dhs can do it easier. I will never understand that, but it’s your opinion.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

I’m not your guy. Where I am from calling someone my guy is not very nice.

Well, around Wisconsin it’s pretty common. This is a pretty light hearted back and forth.

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

I took that as you saying what I said was not true. Because, you admit to disagreeing with me and then building off of by saying

I am. You said it’s too easy for ALL melee. My response to that is it’s not true. Then in addition to that I’m saying why DH is even better. These are two separate items. That’s all.

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

not mean that DHs running being a pillar los and hoping for the best is ok. No one should be doing that.

I was confirming with you that I didn’t insinuate or imply you said that.

@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

I do not know if that is sound logic. If two classes can do it easier but all can do it, do you think all specs should have an easier time because one does?

And that is why it’s not too easy for all classes?

If you had just said you disagree, you think that melee and casters are not too mobile, I would understand. But you said you disagree that they are not too mobile nowadays because rogues and Dhs can do it easier. I will never understand that, but it’s your opinion.

My point was that DHs can afford to los their healers. In addition to that, they have some of the best mobility in the game and can quickly take themselves los to get out of danger. Two separate items.

Look, in the end, you don’t seem like you’re aware of how good DH is right now. So much so, that the spec is basically broken. It’s honestly hard to tell if you’re well meaning or just a troll.

When nearly every game, if not every other game in RSS has a DH, it gets old. Same thing in 2s and 3s. I see them quite literally every other match.

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@Zatoichisan-kelthuzad

I suck and sub rogues get me to trinket blur in opener with stun and smoke bomb.

The DHs that don’t suck are broken. That’s what this is about.

[Tardigrade-spirestone]

I don’t know what your definition is of don’t suck. I’m only in the 15-1600 bracket and I haven’t ever been above 1800 myself, so I’m speaking as a very average player where I’m guessing most of the pvp population is - DH is much more forgiving than other melee specs.

I’m not sure what changes happen as they climb but I can say for the majority DH being too tanky is just oppressive gameplay.

[Christtel-stormrage]

One eye beam blade dance uber leech hit and hey are back up.

Stop it we all have seen dhs comoletely los’ing their healers ib 1v2 or 1v3 surviving long ebough for their healer to throw them a cd.

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

It’s really the immunity frames for me. I feel like glimpse/nether, darkness, and blur is enough.

[Bigddragon-sargeras]

and every single DR

[Fatnose-agamaggan]

yeah man nerf dh

[Tardigrade-spirestone]

Seems like a resounding yes.

[Remi-tichondrius]

At the very least nerf tattoos

wouldn’t complain if they took the damage reduction off glimpse entirely at this point

[Nasrajin-sargeras]

@Remi-tichondrius

At the very least nerf tattoos

I think this needs to happen regardless (and fix blur to do what the tooltip actually says).

That being said, I honestly don’t think glimpse should be in the game at all if the pace is like this.

I think that glimpse is a cool button with some neat skill expression and I like it for that reason… That being said, this current trinket set bonus tuning with all the extra hp and damage being nerfed makes it feel like you can’t kill with burst unless someone really messes up.

Glimpse is falling in the same territory RN as sub/outlaw cloak+vanish and frostdk AMS where it’s being used almost exclusively for aggression amd uptime.

If the better play is to always use defensives aggressively than that feels like balancing is off.

I really think blizzard needs to look at reducing the stamina again, the changes have made sp/lock/dh/rogue pretty unkillable before big damp.

[Fatnose-agamaggan]

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