Should Activision Outsource WotLKC?

I understand the push to put classic expansions on the SL platform, to alleviate all the backend issues.

That said, you’re dealing with old spaghetti code. Hotfixes and bug fixes, from 2007, that reference lines of code that no longer exist as a workaround. Thus, old bugs, fixed long ago, are back to stay

Now, that having needed to be said, if you keep up with industry news, you’ll know that all 9 “Blizzard” studios have been put on CoD development.

For myself, having done D3 closed beta, and D2:R closed beta, I see the value in having Activision outsource their “Blizzard” remasters. Letting small independent studios make sure things are updated, primarily to maintain original integrity.

Which independent studio do you think should handle WotLKC?

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outsource ? that’s not how outsourcing works. the product is already there

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Honestly they should have done this long ago - around the time the private servers popped up.

Classic itself was largely a mistake (in long term economic terms) - unless you consider it an admission of defeat by ActaBliz used to milk some cash out of a dying market. There was no longevity or plan for growth of the franchise in the idea of rereleasing a classic version and keeping Retail on a slow release cycle.

The whole approach Blizzard has taken in the last few years reeks of a company that has largely given up on the franchise and is putting it in maintenance mode - using nostalgia to fuel a last ditch spurt in revenue.

Classic was far more successful for far longer than the company thought it would be and that largely caught them by surprise. In that sense it was a great success. But as a strategy - there’s no long term in it as it stands.

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Riger, I appreciate your input. I’m old enough to remember when Activision made their name producing 2nd party content for the Atari 2600. They got bigger, and hungrier, but as far as adding value to a franchise, already picked over by Vivendi? Maybe that’s asking too much of any company, even in perfect times.

There may be those who don’t remember all these PvE bugs, back in the day. Then again, they’re also those who still can’t believe that Tuesday morning is downtime, 90% of the time. If you lived this long, gratz. If you reproduced, wtf, think of the greater good.

Activision may, or may not, have anything to which they need to admit. Weren’t they just purchasing previously damaged goods? Being keepers of the light, versus spreading the light? How many years have OG D2 Blizzard North servers been active; with new seasons?

I’ve always maintained that classic and retail should have been separate subscriptions. If you’re going to milk the cow, fine, but as a publicly traded stock interest, quit hiding the numbers on what pays for what, down to the last jello shot at the cubicle crawl, that I wasn’t invited to, where I might have shown off my 15yr anniversary statue, but you know how it is; we sometimes grow apart.

While I can somewhat agree with your concluding assessment, I would also offer this as input to consider. Activision has never been an innovator, but they could be a fair caretaker, through outsourcing.

Activision could become your father’s gaming keeper! As long as they choose well in their outsourcing.

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thats a good question, very few independent studios have the infrastructure needed to handle anything of the scale blizzard require. And i don’t like or trust any AAA dev studios either so i have no idea who is ideal.

But you’re right, blizzard are dead, their competence is nil, and we need a new team to run classic, i want some serious changes to content phasing in wrath because i dont even wanna SMELL the trial of the crusader raid let alone get stuck with it for months as the only viable gear haul. Or do naxx 25 again, i want Ulduar and ICC hooked directly into my veins!

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Vicarious Visions did a good job with D2:R, but it was all visual assets.

WotLKC isn’t looking for a visual overhaul, it’s looking for a way to have new systems like dual spec, faction change, barbershops, LFD, etc. integrate properly.

If TBCC hadn’t been such a cluster, then this wouldn’t be a question, but it has been, and now this is a serious question. Should Activision outsource the resurrection of WotLKC?

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Yes, unfortunately the last company that should be controlling WoW products is Activision.

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Maybe it’s just the negatives stand out more than the positives since tbc isn’t my favorite version of the game but the way things are handled does seem sloppy and getting worse. The last patch broke vendors and caused other little bugs to show up that you wouldn’t expect and there’s like no response or communication about it. I have like zero confidence in the company anymore

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It might even be debated whether it is in the ATVI shareholders best interests to have Activision outsource this remaster.

WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!!

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dreamhaven? :innocent:

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I think you are confusing outsource development with sell off the IP.

to be fair that’s been true since the day they bought vivendi.

Give it to Gamigo so they can monetize it into the dirt!

Gamigo is worse.

What about 3D Realms? They could use a good 20yr comeback project. ATVI corporate profits and WotLKC in 2041

BE THERE!!

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Outsource WotLK Classic? Every penny blizzard gave to this hypothetical outsourced company would be made up for by putting more cash shop items in the game.

Do you want WoW tokens in Classic? Cause this is how you get WoW tokens in Classic.

Another approach would be to literally make the classic project Open source. Fully support the private server community and then produce their own “paid options”. Allow classic wow to have a life of it’s own driven by enthusiasts - keeping the current classic as a base reference design.

There could be an active relationship then between Bliz and the PS community - a bit like Redhat and CentOS. You have a classic recreation - a standardised reference that seeks to be as faithful as possible to the original, and then community driven “classic” projects.

At the end of the day I strongly feel that WoW itself is on its last legs. There is a legacy worth preserving and I think long term that has to sort of rest with the community that want it preserved.

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WoTLKC will be just fine as TBC is right now

Pirate.
Pirate.
Repeat.
Pirate.

Where the felons would make money using someone else’s IP sell level 60 characters with full high warlord.

Great! Yet one more person that has zero clue how Classic and TBCC came to be.

No it is not “already there”. Classic and TBCC are REMAKES. Meaning they had to rebuild the game on a new client. As in, do major coding to make the old data structures and graphics assets work on a client that has seen 15 years of patches, updates, major backend changes, a complete graphics engine overhaul, and 1000’s of minor modifications and bug fixes.

Wrath will be no different!

So, yes there is plenty to outsource.

Still boggles the mind that some people think they just dusted off the old game and called it a day.

Only about 50% of TBCC is code from the original version. The other 50% was new code, developed specifically for the Classic version to make the game function like TBC did 15 years ago.

oh we have an insider here ladies and gents , a hot shot that knows the ins and outs and just came here to post right after blizzards production meeting