The inside scoop is that they’re implementing M+ Scores from RaiderIO into the game.
Ironically, Blizzard changed the importance of gearing for an entire expansion (Cataclysm) to negate the relevance of “Gearscore” in Wrath. If anyone remembers Gearscore, I would hope they remember a couple of things:
It was a crutch to skilled players who started out behind
It was a poor measure of skill and ability
RaiderIO is not Gearscore. Gearscore was a measure of gear acquired, not skill. Skill was implied. As far as RaderiIO is concerned, lack of skill is what paid carries will be for. RaiderIO supplements Gearscore by creating a treadmill-esque system in a game that lacks competitiveness and depth of content. That’s why it’s a perfect marriage for Blizzard’s current core philosophy: gameplay last.
Since RaiderIO is a scoring system measured off incremental completion, Blizzard is more than thrilled to give each player a number based on their completion rate in one of the most dull, boring, dragged out grinds the game has to offer. The game isn’t even balanced enough to make this system remotely fair at a high level, let alone a low one. Players have a hard time getting grouped simply because RaiderIO exists in the first place. Aiding and abetting the treadmill is what Blizzard has now done for over a decade.
This solves no issues, and exacerbates the ones we already have. People can’t get into groups. Everyone is incentivized selfishly to only push keys that are +1 for them. No incentive to finish dungeons when you fail a key. You have to do another entire dungeon to earn the right to attempt the next level again. I can tell you right now no one looks at score first when forming high level groups. They look at class first, then score.
How about we fix the real issues here, instead of marrying this garbage system? Can it or ban it. I’d prefer the latter.
On topic, gearscore was no better. You could be carried to good gear and suck. All systems that people use are approximations. However, all the approximations average out to being better than using no filter at all.
Furthermore, raider.io is designed to serve a completely different purpose than just filtering. It’s a self measurement system and a goal to push for.
And creating a visible, measurable, goal to push for keeps people playing. And that my friend is something Blizzard does want.
Players gonna gatekeep, with or without addons. Bliz cannot fix that, and therefore should not spend any effort doing so, or catering to those who don’t understand fundamental human nature.
Gate keeping will always be a thing, I do agree some.lakyees cling to it like life or death. Yet as with any tool or game, there will be some metric players use to gauge others and gatekeep.
Yes and until they start implementing logs than we have no choice, players are going to scrutinise every way they can.
Like when you try to join someones 1800+ RBG and they ask for a link to an achievement, so you link the 1800 and they laugh at you for not having a 2100+ achievement. It is the same for raids and M+, you link an AOTC achievement and they ask why no mythic achievements, and your 1K+ IO for an M7 and they ask why no KSM.
Players are always going to want the best and your score, rating and raid achievements are all you have until Blizzard decide to log everything. All I care about for now is if your dungeon completion will be in game and updated instantly when you complete a run rather than needing 12 hours for a non subscribed IO persons score to update, because that was crap. You could now run 3 timed M15 in one day and it will not update your score until tomorrow, that is BS.
But since they are now putting this in game we need to keep pushing Blizzard to use their own in game logs to also attach to someones record so we can actually see what they are worth and not just an arbitrary “Oh you finished 12 dungeons”.
This is the reason why this game dies so fast every time content is released, and it’s also why no new players should ever bother playing WoW.
PVP is for Gladiators only.
PvE is for all the players who come back and say “I raided in a top 200 guild back in TBC”.
The game would be dead in a week. I already know of a better way to solve these problems and that’s to refocus on community building instead of community dismantlement.
its posts like these where you can tell op has no idea how to actually use IO that make me laugh. IO number or class aint nobody seriously looking at that. We looking to see what week and affixes you did your keys on did you get carried threw an easy week or actually do it when it ment something
Yeah, I can confirm that, at least right now. Checked in-game, lots of M+ groups, lots of them have comments listed, not one referred to r-IO or score.
It’s basically implied at this point. Especially once you start pushing 15+. There is not a single group that isn’t looking at class, and then io, when deciding who to bring in. Pushing 2k io is not the same thing on a prot paladin as it is on a vengeance demon hunter. It’s not even remotely the same achievement.
Really? That’s so much work. I just invite a brez or two (I already have lust), someone of the relevant covenant, one melee for interrupts if I invited a boomy or lock. Then I just invite whoever applied first with an appropriate score. I don’t have to alt-tab and it’s been working so far! I feel like most people can do the key levels I’m doing, and if not, it shouldn’t be too hard to carry them a lil’ bit.
Some people don’t do keys on hard weeks and are not being carried either, that means nothing. Like this week is a garbage week for some dungeons so I have done only 3 keys this week so far. And next week is crap too, so I will come back in 2 weeks and push some keys, does that mean I am no good and only being carried?
Yes but who did the VDH and the Prot have in their groups? The paladin could have a balance druid, a fire mage and a rogue and a hpal healer. But the DH at 2K might have a SV hunter, a frost DK, an enhancement shaman and a mistweaver monk.
At first glane it shows the paladin is better because they are a worse class at tanking than the DH currently, but the paladin could have been carried and you don’t know that. There are glaring issues with both iLVL and IO score.
Your tank could be running the wrong stats, a bear druid at 225 iLVL and 2K IO might be sitting with 4% vers and 5% mastery, but max crit and haste and only been in groups that have carried them with how strong the DPS and healers are. Or your 220 iLVL and 1.5K IO fire mage with full mastery and crit has the wrong trinkets, wrong enchants, no gems and hits 3K top with PI and combust because they just don’t know what they are doing.
Not true if they run their own keys,run with guildies/friends, or join groups with comparable experience. There are options. If people don’t use them, that’s not anyone keeping anyone else out except that particular person inflicting it on themselves. As others have probably already stated, if it wasn’t rio it would be a different measure.
Run your own key or run with guildies/friends if you want to jump levels. People pugging their keys will take the more qualified over less qualified. Feel free to form your own group in whichever way you like.
Why wouldn’t class be a factor? Lust/brez/etc, not to mention that the higher one goes the narrower the field will get. Higher performing classes/specs matter at some point.
I’m all for fixing the real issue. People should stop playing the victim and take a little responsibility for their own game. No doubt, I now qualify as elitist gatekeeper although I’m still slumming lower levels, but this is GD…