You literally do not have time to fit 2 death sweeps into one demonic window with low haste, if you use a single fel blade with a 0.25 sec gcd that’s it, no second death sweep.
This should not be the case. The solution is not “get more haste” the solution is to make the talent work as intended regardless of how much gear you have, this whole talent selection idea is to allow you to get 2 sweeps into 1 window, if it cannot even do that regardless of the haste level, then the design is wrong, and it needs to be buffed enough so it can at least do that.
And by low haste i mean 37/40%, so it’s not that low, a baseline of 9%+ modifiers gets me to around 37% haste, if i had only the haste % from meta, you literally would not be able to fit 2 death sweeps even if you only spent fury for the entire window.
Oh and forget trying to make essence break work in a cohesive manner with these. It’s awful. But i bet the “friction” really is improving the gameplay of the spec, just like how friction made fury more fun when anger management didn’t work for ravager… Oh wait! It didn’t! That’s why they changed it!
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Demonic needs to be an 8 sec duration again. Un-nerf demonic and delete cycle and sd.
No, thanks.
A longer Meta will only cause the same problems DH had until DF, meaning, 0 burst.
Longer meta means havoc does no damage
Removing essb aka the best ability havoc received in years is also a Pepega idea
Like the other dh said, buff demonic but remove cycle of hatred and shattered destiny
Wait until you find out dh still has no burst even after the meta changes
Oh I know, but that’s a biproduct of Cycle and SD existing.
And demonic (please remove this)
How about no?
How about you mind your own business, and play the no sd/coh build? How about that?
Surely that could never be an option.
Demonic, cdr on eye beams etc etc, has been here since the inception of havoc, it’s not going anywhere, the only new thing is sd that allows you, or at least should allow you to fit 2 sweeps into a demonic window, which is pretty cool.
If you don’t like that, guess what, you can just play the non sd build.
Have you ever considered in your life that maybe just having burst is not the end all be all of spec gameplay? Did that thought ever occur to you?
Also, burst is frankly fine, with fel scarred you have pretty insane aoe burst every 2 min and decent st burst, even with a mostly flat profile, even if sd were to be slightly more powerful in order to fit 2 sweeps even at low haste in a demonic window, you’d still be fine, you guys just have 2 modes, either the profile looks like sub rogue profile and that’s bursty, and anything below that is sustained, which is insane, and should not be taken seriously.
Also, there are classes with literally the flattest damage profile possible, and they do more than fine, like enhance.
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Yes. And everyone that thinks that flattening a profile is somehow ok in any kind of competitive environment is just wrong.
I respect what you want for gameplay purposes, but this will never work in any environment that isn’t trivial.
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Overblown statements like that are not to be taken seriously.
Hopefully someone actually smart at blizzard realizes this, which they probably do, otherwise every spec would play the way you guys want, which would be trash.
People were talking about pre rework havoc as awful, but the reality is that it was fine, if they buffed it by like 10 %, you would have seen a lot less complaints. It was mid in pretty much every type of content, m+ or raid, this “issue” about uptime was heavily overblown by a few people. You’re not playing breath of sindragosa, stop pretending that this is is as big of an issue as you wanna make it out to be.
Literally most specs in the game at this point require significant uptime in order to actually do damage, all specs in the game have either procs, or cdr or cdr, or both, all of these mechanics require you to actually hit a target and do something, therefore uptime, are we gonna remove all of this and make gameplay as bland as it could possibly ever be because you wanna squeeze an extra 1 % damage, why stop at cdr/cde? Just go to the logical conclusion of this argument and remove everything that offers dynamism in the rotation, anything that’s not fully predictable, while you’re at it, increase the damage of each spell, but decrease resource generation so you have like 50% downtime in the rotation but each hit does massive damage, there you go, problem solved. Now the each spec plays like absolute trash, but at least you can maximize your dps down to the last percentage.
Sounds pretty dumb right? Exactly. Have you ever considered that the way you want to design a spec doesn’t result in an enjoyable rotation? No that would mean that you actually thought about something.
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it really just sounds like you dont play havoc at a capacity to know its issues nor care. everyone is entitled to opinions, but there also entitled to call out your opinion and question the logic behind it. cause frankly it dfoesnt make sense
they really should remove cycle and be done with it
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It’s true havoc wasnt playing breath. It was actually more dependent on uptime in DF S1/S2 and Slands S3-4 than breath was
your arguing with a wall my dude. All of the people arguing with you are essence break/colossal smash shatter junkies that recently migrated to havoc a few expacs ago and want it to play like their old main while ruining a once simple but fun class to play that performed well. (Excluding Arahgon who is a ret main that hates DH and advocates against the class so it is ruined)
The entire clown show arguing against you are mods or frequent posters and friends of the mods who ban anyone who argued against the current crap show we have now. They spewed horrible ideas to the devs during our rework and TWW alpha/beta and have directly contributed to ruining Havoc.
Havoc needs alot of work to be great again, this new direction from SL onward has been one disaster after another. They really need to stop listening to the idiots who lack the mental functions to actually play the game for more than 5-10 second windows every minute or so.
rent free i guess holy moly
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