Holy sh1t, I removed it and no paladins are not number 1 in the cool meter.
Ok now can you articulate as to why ret is more op than the other classes mentioned. This time, assuming the players all have there cooldowns. Not one class fighting another where 1 has cooldowns ready and the other does not.
Why is ret stronger than all the other classes? Please explain
And why do you argue rets are still this powerful after the nerfs we have received when you literally just put shaman at number 1 and have yet to recieve nerfs yourself
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Youâre on ignore for refusing to admit to shaman strengths before, so yea I donât read your posts. kthnxbye.
Itâs ALL shaman. Not even going to let you wiggle away on whatever dumb enhancement argument you will make, no one pvps as enhancement so itâs not a factor. Itâs shaman in general.
And youâre a moron for thinking that because I have said how to fix shamans before and never had a problem admitting they were OP. I would argue for my build ele and thats it.
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no. it is not.
you dont get to say that and then casually throw off entire specs like they dont exist.
stop please.
Ok now can you articulate as to why ret is more op than the other classes mentioned. This time, assuming the players all have their cooldowns. Not one class fighting another where 1 has cooldowns ready and the other does not.
Why is ret stronger than all the other classes? Please explain
And why do you argue rets are still this powerful after the nerfs we have received when you literally just put shaman at number 1 and have yet to receive nerfs yourself
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Yes I do. Because when people like you say âPaladinsâ you never say âRet Paladinsâ or âShockadinsâ you never make exceptions for prot paladins because no one PVPs as a prot paladin. So when you try and act like âTank Shamanâ are the only issue when EVERY SINGLE SHAMAN are running the same rune regardless of spec in PVP youâre not saying anything other than shaman, and that the rune is OP and needs to be nerfed.
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I will after this AQ40. Trying to get Ring of the Swarming Thought and Fetish.
i never said tank shaman shouldnt get nerfed there bucko.
never agreed to nerfing all shaman specs all willy nilly though.
youre right about 1 thing. i should directly say ret pallies instead.
Ok then please focus on your raid if you dont have the time to focus on the forums. I asked you again because i noticed you responding to someone else, making it seem like you avoided my response again having us probably argue again in the future about the same topic
But yet itâs fine that all paladins except holy had to take massive hits. Again this is whatâs so disengenuous about you. You make all these exceptions for shaman because you play shaman, and never make the same consideration for other classes.
Thereâs a LOT of broken things about shaman, and itâs not just the one rune but itâs a big factor.
Way of the Earth should be 15% bonus health, increased armor value instead of 10% flat damage reduction, and if shaman tanks in PVE are getting defense capped through gear lose the 6% crit reduction entirely. And thatâs just a START.
i never stated what nerfs should be for pallies in a concise manner and dont fully agree to the ones that went out.
please dont assume without me making it clear.
i really only said that my top four which was:
boomie > hunter > tank shaman (resto ele do it all spec honorable mention) > pally were all head and shoulders above everyone else prior to the nerfs and they ALL needed addressing.
i even made a post saying after the nerfs that those top 3 needed looking at still.
but you think somehow i am automatically for every single nerf which i am not.
most of what was needing to be nerfed was on the ret side and that is fine with me.
they just need to get the other 3 classes too.
You also have the worldâs weirdest framework for PVP balance only caring about your own arbitrary metrics of BG value.
If you refuse to make the distinction for other classes in your list, stop making this distinction here. Either say Boomkin, Kill Shot Hunter, Way of the Earth Spell Shaman, and Ret Paladin or make no distinction at all.
You have though. You and i have had many conversations. In the first few phases we spoke you stated as a blanket statement paladins were op, i spent phases trying to get you to say what you are talking about, but all i got was bubble and loh. Finally in phase 7 you had something specific to talk about, the templar enchant, of which you still didnt understand, and kept saying the 10+ hits rets were always doing were op not knowing what was going on. Since these nerfs you slowed down on the pally talk, but doesnt change the past. Shaman is op right now and has been, would you be arguing shamans are op going forward till you are nerfed?
you know you would have more traction and support on a way of earth changes if you werent trying to gut it in pve and only lobbied for them to turn it off in pvp.
ive mentioned a few but declined to go into full detail as i wouldve had to have fully taken a very deep dive and was only reporting things that were immediate.
i diddnt want to do like you guys do with shaman and directly ask for excessive nerfs that would gut the class in both pve and pvp.
some things were clear as day though so i spoke to that.
Itâs entirely unfair in PVE too. So letâs go over this:
No other tank class gets access to flat damage reduction. They either get spell damage reduction or physical damage reduction. NOT BOTH. It should either be phys only, spell only, or armor to be in line with all other tank specs.
Shaman do not need 30% more health. They are not 30% health behind other tanks. They have access to defense on gear, dodge block and parry, the same mit as everyone else. They even have a defensive cooldown that is shorter than other tank classes.
If you look at the tier set between shaman and paladin, you see that shaman have 261 stamina on their set and paladins have 285. Thatâs a difference of 9.19% health. Even if we are saying shaman tanks should get more health to make up their deficit from gear, at this point in sod they are getting 3 times the difference. Itâs unfair.
Finally, flat crit reduction in PVE caps at 5%. Not just from defense but period, as 5% crit is all the mobs will ever had. Shaman tank gear has defense on it now. They have 134 of the 140 they need on tier gear in the new raid. This means that removing the crit reduction has no effect in PVE. And donât give me some undergeared or no defense nonsense either because the other tanks donât get that when they are able to be crit from not having defense gear. They donât get a free ride from a single rune.
The problem is that itâs not one specific thing with shaman, itâs the whole class. Itâs so many abilities all compounded on their overpowered runes that create a problem. Whatâs the issue with ret paladins? They do a lot of damage. Thatâs it. If you take away their stun they would become gimp, if you take away their bubble same thing. They are balanced on a lack of mobility, so targeting their damage ALSO makes them gimped. They donât have 30 different fallbacks and a tank of passive defenses to protect them like shaman.
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When players have asked for specific nerfs we mention specific abilities. Shamanistic rage, wolves. WOE, decoy/grounding, the totem boons, 6 sec kick, aoe flameshock with big dot, purge off cd, the shaman tank pieces, the fact shamans can run any rune combination. There are many specifics we had, but you would just blanket argue paladin is op, you could never state any specific ability you felt was op except bubble and loh. 2 abilities that are apart if classic. Not a single rune can you complain about, but you still argue shaman is not as op ppl think
Crazy because since and other shamans were crying on the forums thats exactly what they did, they gutted rets other builds for both pve and pvp
I canât wait for every paladin to switch to shockadin since ret pvp is gutted to the point of being useless unless youâre in the highest of gear. See them cry for nerfs then too. Oh WAIT. That already happened on the PTB like 2 seasons ago. Guess they should just delete the class already.
You feeling triggered asf today bro 