Actually on my first run through when first released I played a shaman tank, it wasn’t as effective as prot pally but was pretty darn close. I tanked every 5 man and ubrs and LBRS. I was taught how to do it from another shaman tank. So yes they did, at least on my horde server people tanked with shamans.
Just because you’re not All aware means nothing.
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Yes he use tinkering as a way to handle unexpected threat. So what? A warrior I knew did it as well, so guess he didn’t tank either. And just because you’re unaware or lack the knowledge doesn’t mean some people didn’t do that quite well. Never said shaman could tank raids or things of that nature. But a taunt, with totems and gear aimed for them tanking are a few tweaks. You could have even given them a talent near the end for extra armor. A few tweaks.
Trolling is fun.
If you’re not taking the hits, living, and dishing out threat to hold, you’re not Tanking.
I’m not unaware, I just don’t call Kiting or letting other NPCs or classes Tank for you as “Shaman Tanking”
No.
This is a thread that should have been left to rot long ago. Just because you can make a build work for something it wasn’t intended for doesn’t mean it’ll ever be competitive at it.
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Ya I really can’t believe that someone trying to see if they could kill a boss with a class that isn’t designed for tanking as their tank would turn into an argument spanning months.
No, not really happy. Get a little more informed on the topic before commenting on it: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shaman-tank-guide-learn-how-to-master-world-of-warcraft-burning-crusade-classic-as-a-proficient-shaman-tank/1145616 Most critics will at the very least acknowledge they can tank dungeons, to say otherwise is to be intellectually dishonest.
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A thread you made that no one interacted with from 5 months ago filled with the usual non-information and ill-informed tripe.
The fact you even tried placing it in the New Player/Guide section to encourage people completely new to the game, the class, or the role of Tanking and outright LIE to them about how Shaman perform trying to Tank is utter garbage.
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When I talk about misinformation and leading people down a failed path, this is it.
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We’re talking about raids, my guy. Just about anyone can tank dungeons with some creativity. Have you tanked anything in P3?
I don’t think anyone said a Shaman can’t tank dungeons, in fact I would bet most classes can tank dungeons if fully geared.
Most people have been talking strictly raids, and the newer current raids that are actually a challenge.
My personal opinion is, if most of the raid needs to throttle their DPS back just so the shaman can keep aggro, that is not tanking.
Just looking at your avatar, I’m willing to bet if you don’t have a raid tank, you tank dungeons.
I know I would be, I pull off our alt tanks in ZA!
I guess you didn’t see the video or the channel with all the T5 tanking examples?
What about the adds on Lurker? they don’t count either?
I don’t think anyone stated that it can be competitive. I personally do not think it can. It is doable for some fights? yes. Competitive definitely no.
I’ve been playing shaman tank since classic. Currently threat is not the issue at all (It’s not great, but it’s not awful either). The main issue for shaman tanks is that (especially with P3) they do not have as high amounts of HP/Armor. Mit is the main issue not threat.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.
I don’t necessarily think arbitrary standards should be included when discussing tanks on a whole, as the status is mend to be broad from anything Blizzard has given us. But, this is also my opinion so take it for what you want.
When you start making fine lines, we can exclude Druids from Illidan fight. I don’t think that would be a fair assessment either.
More people need to read this.
The Priest hits less hard than most of the trash in SSC, let alone the bosses. That’s why DPS Warriors often hold her off to the side for many guilds. The actual Tanks on that fight are dealing with the Shaman, Hunter, and the boss himself.
Caperfin pushes this concept every time he hawks his stupid guide:
The claim that Shamans can “fully tank” all content is an outright lie, and he disregards one of many shortcomings as irrelevant for comparison. That’s claiming Shaman are competitive, and we both know they aren’t.
It is, but you’re not seeing that because it is likely due to a lack of significant DPS on your backside.
This is entirely possible.
Yes, in this case, I do disagree with Caper. From all my experience so far Shamans can fully tank 5mans, 10mans (ZA TBD), and off-tank raids from P1 to P2. I have not really had a chance to OT with the Shaman in P3-P4. Currently, my guild is still progressing so I’m using my feral druid mainly. So I’ll reserve my P3-P4 opinion until I can do so.
And yes this is Arcanewolf - I finally switched to my shammy character since it was a point earlier in the thread lol
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Looking at some of the logs, you guys don’t have necessarily bad DPS (bosses are dying after all), but you don’t have anyone really pulling hard either. On your Gorefiend kill yall managed ~31k DPS during your Heroism/Bloodlust. In comparison, my guild pulls ~46k in that same time frame. Granted there are a lot of gear differences, fewer Healers, etc, and we’re by no means some top tier crew, but the burst that’s possible isn’t something you guys are seeing.
That being said…
Good luck on your progression, I’m glad you guys are making steady progress in BT and hope you see Illidan fall soon.
Try and snag ZA runs whenever you can since there are hosts of upgrades you can get while waiting for first drops off of the later bosses.
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Creating an arbitrary standard again? Your logs don’t’ count because you’re terrible at Resto. (See how childish that sounds?)
Again, arbitrary standards. It’s expected that dps will have to throttle more. This isn’t rocket science, 2nd.
How far you going to move the goal post this time?
Shamans are probably baller Lynx tanks for that last bear boss too.
Why would they be better than a real tank?
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