Rescue Hunter.
Earthwarden Shaman.
Judgement Priest.
Time Mage.
Zealotry Paladin.
Trickster Rogue.
… “Range” Warrior. Honestly ran out of names for specs at this point.
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I haven’t heard them say that, but if that’s true, they can simply change their minds. These aren’t any kinds of design obstacles.
looks at the entire history of WoW
Actions speak louder than words.
Dude, they gave us a flat “no” regarding Classic WoW. Not to mention I can’t find a source for your quote.
They changed their minds because of the massive amount of money involved. If giving shaman tanks would bring in as much money as classic servers, they would do it.
My “quote” was not a direct quote. But its clear from their actions they only want classes to have 3 specs.
This is why when outlaw was added to rogue, something was removed.
This is why they didn’t keep the original survival hunter when they turned it into a melee hunter.
They have gone out of their way to ensure classes remain at 3 specs, with the sole exception being when they split apart druids, which had 2 long established specs at that point for balancing reasons.
They have never added a 4th spec to a class. When they have added a spec or changed a spec drastically, they made sure that the class remained at 3 specs.
Clearly, staying at 3 specs is an important aspect for the devs.
The required resource is not the issue or what I mentioned. DK’s would have their caster spec use intellect too, as would warriors. Their gear would support these needs (I would love to see a DK waving a wand 
). Two simple changes to the game: remove the loot selection option feature, and make all gear function the same way as our legendary weapons did. After that, every class can be everything, as ridiculous as that would be for some.
So you’re saying because Combat was turned into Outlaw, and Survival got reworked, that Earthwarden Shamans are out of the question for Blizzard? Give me a break.
Have you considered that they just didn’t want to give pure dps classes a 4th dps spec? You’re really just putting words into their mouths.
I am saying that due to their history of never once adding a 4th spec to a class (not splitting apart a current spec, which is different), and how they actively make sure classes remain at 3 specs.
I feel it is unlikely they bring about a 4th spec specifically to shaman anytime soon. Even adding a 4th spec to every class would be on par to adding 3-4 more classes to the game.
By all means, continue to ask for it. Just be sure you are keeping your expectations tempered as it has almost no chance of happening.
Having a 2 spec class was also unprecedented. New ideas are always unprecedented. All we’re doing is brewing up demand for Earthwarden Shamans. It’s a cool idea and there’s nothing Blizz has said or done indicating that it conflicts with their design philosophies. It’s just new.
People are asking for it. There’s no rumor that it will happen. Tempering expectations is moot. Overwhelming excitement for the idea is what will make it happen.
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As long as I don’t lose resto, elemental, or enhance specs.
Which judging by Blizzard’s history I would have to lose one of them.
This, I can agree with. The goal is MORE specs, not replacement specs.
To that end, it would be more beneficial for discussions to lean towards specs for all classes, but the irony is that would be best done on a thread-per-class basis. Otherwise we’d just end up with a mess of a discussion.
… DKs and Warriors don’t have caster specs.
DKs also would never have cause to wave a wand.
So if you’re advocating making it so gear can be used by any class regardless of what it is, there’s a good reason they went AWAY from that.
Shaman don’t need to use Plate to be a tank, and Mail armor is stronger than Leather by default (Mail armor is literally chain links with a leather backing, making it stronger by design).
If THAT is not what you’re talking about, then I REALLY don’t understand anything you are saying.
We have a shield, same as Warriors and Paladins, we have Mail Armor which is BETTER than Leather, we have Agility, which Druids also use to tank.
The only thing missing from the formula is the Earth abilities to make it a reality.
Something that has always been odd with pure dps wanting to also tank. Did you not figure out that it was not an option early on? If so, why not re-roll a class that could also tank? If you decided to stick with pure dps all this time, knowing you would not be able to be a tank, then what is the issue?
Alael, you misunderstand the argument here.
Shaman were given shields in VANILLA. We were psuedo tanks even back then. Any semblance of being able to tank has been stripped away over the years.
We are asking Blizz to do what they originally had planned, which is letting OUR class tank.
I already play EVERY class available. I tank on EVERY class that can currently do it. I want THIS class that has all the trappings of actually BEING a tank without actually being one to FINALLY realize that potential.
Currently, no, but if we are to give other classes tanks, we need to be fare.
True, but they will also get a caster spec, similar to others getting tanks
Do not really follow you here, but it looks like the opposite of what I’m saying. Gear would be class specific. A frost mage cloak would be useless to an arcane mage, warlock or resto shaman.
Never said the type of armor had to change. All paladin specs default to plate. Even though it is not uncommon to wear cloth as a healer while leveling, there would not need to be a change in typ. Besides, druids and DH tank and they wear leather, so not bashing mail.
See my response to the last quote. To reiterate though, like now, a shield would have the necessary/desired traits like they do now. However, a “shaman” shield could not be used by a warrior or vice versa.
Also something that may or may not clarify things, when referencing the way the artifact weapons are done, I am not saying limited to the type, just the class. I personally dispensed being forced to use a fist weapon. Do not like the looks and limited mog. I also main a DK and am thankful for the change to being able to use 2H in SL.
… that’s literally insane. They are weapon master classes, they don’t need a CASTER spec, by ANY stretch of the imagination.
What you’re talking about is SPEC specific first of all, and you’re talking about making EVERYTHING be a “tier set”, which is equally as insane as the last comment.
If THAT is your basis here, you’ve gone completely off the deep end, and I can’t take anything you say here seriously anymore.
Nah, cause then they’d nerf enhance into only being tank spec or remove the tank option after an expansion like they did with Sword and Board Warrior in WoD.
They’d need to make it a dedicated spec for shaman if they were going to add it.
Which I’d be on board for. Something that revolves around earth maybe.
In Alael’s defense, the Death Knight is proper set up in lore to be the Necromancer people have been clamoring for, more so than their Unholy spec.
And warriors definitely won’t have a caster spec. The only avenue as weapon’s masters they haven’t explored is ranged weaponry.
There isn’t, actually. Most of the classes would be stretched very thin if you tried to add ANOTHER spec to them.
That’s called a Hunter.
That’s called Unholy.