Shaman > paladin in every way

i lied its a 3 minute cooldown and im wrong

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all the top paly players are using the martyrdom crowd pummeler exorcism reset build. I was under the impression crowd pummeler had a 30 minute not 3 minute cooldown. that build is for sure the one boosting pally damage on wcl and the reason they have a massive band. iis sites like zockify etc don’t have that build as bis because the martyrdom resetting exorcism was a bug but blizz said they are not going to effect it rn because they kind of like the interaction. im a tank pally so i dont care to much.
shoot even zockify updated the build lol so im even wrong there

being the 2nd lowest melee dps means busted?

How do they have time to get every totem down and have every snare up and kill you? Like globals are so slow everything you’re saying is like 7-8 globals why are you standing in range of a searing totem? who wastes a global on searing totem? Unless the shaman is camping totems and you are pushing them I just don’t get how they have the time to get all these totems down and slow you and interrupt you and purge you. And you also have fire ward so wtf is a searing totem doing?

Sac is not significant??? lmao its literally one of the best abilities in the game. Gets you out of the majority of hard ccs. Why do you think they gave it a 30 sec cd in TBC and Wrath? Not often ccd outside of fear yeah I guess mages rogues and hunters just ignore you. Never been seduced in your life I guess. I can’t begin to count how many team fights I have won because of sac, watching idiots spam cc into a pally that has sac up.

Yeah compare NS to Bubble I guess. NS doesn’t let you sit in the middle of a fight bombing heals into people for 12 sec with no counter play aside from running away.

Fixed that for you. Won’t even talk about how gross they were in PvP though.

u can drop 4 totems at once if you want from 20 feet away I’m pretty sure and of course I may be pushing or running this stuff happens in fight like I said objectives. purge takes care of fire ward and all instant cast why you’re running at me. Do you even play a shaman… whatever your pointless to argue with. I have a feeling you’re not the shaman I feel threatened by anyways. I’m pretty sure the jury is out and the nerf bat is coming and well deserved. so, enjoy it why it last. I always understood shamans are strong against casters it’s part of the game and I accepted it. What I don’t think you should have and stand by it because you have to many snares is a blessing of freedom that is on a shorter cooldown then Pallies that have no snares. unfortunately, I’m pretty sure that rune is staying and it’s something we all will have to deal with.

Even without pummeler the martyrdom reset build is performing higher. And as crit goes up, so will the performance.

It’s also because art of war has a massive impact in general. The higher your gear level the greater your crit and the higher the performance. Look at the warriors too. Top warrior dps is something like 400-500 more than the top 20 and below. It’s because of cheese and funneling. This is always a thing on logs.

They were going to remove it as part of a bug fix, but they decided to keep the interaction for now. Which it should be a core part because it’s not the main issue with the Martyrdom situation (martyr was doing some weird stuff with weapon procs and wild strikes too).

But my main point about Paladin dps is the magnitude of difference between the other dps, not really what people are doing at the top end. Ret has both the potential to outperform other classes AND is within range of the majority of the dps classes in performance. Just because it’s “at the bottom” doesn’t really mean anything if the performance is in line because someone has to be at the bottom.

People act like ret is the dps priest of phase 1. People aren’t going to not bring you to raids because your median dps is 10-20 lower than another class for overall performance. And if they do, they are stupid and you shouldn’t raid with them.

Yep, the same idiots who can just CS you for 10 seconds when you try to cast your 2,5/3,9 sec (with CoT on you) holy light. Hpal on ERA is just bubble+scrolls of binding light class. 12 secs per 5 min viable boy. Outside of that you are just running around and trying to be usefull with CoT shutting you down completely (and fhunter’s/mage’s CSpells waiting for you).

I dare you to roll and level a Holy Paladin in SoD. Play some BG’s and then come back here and comment. You’ll quickly realize how weak Holy Paladin is. I’m down to one healing spell: Holy Light.

One heal! Flash of Light is such a tiny heal, its useless. Holy Light is a 2.5 sec cast and thats all Holy has!

Thats 4 global cooldowns. This isn’t wrath.

Every healer is bad in pvp right now. Every single one.

I always picture nerds with dribbles of sweat on their upper lip, glasses at the tip of their noses. Typing away, aggressively clicking their mechanical keyboards as a gulp of completely flat, warm Dr Pepper gets caught in their thin feeble little necks.

“XXX CLASS is overpowered for these reasons!! YYY CLASS only has these under powered abilities!!”

ok honest question then you saying after you drop 4 totems at once they have to wait 4 seconds to cast again?

They need to nerf shaman into the ground this is ridiculous.

no little gnome.

each totem dropped incurs a global cooldown of 1 second.

so 4 totems would equal 1+1+1+1 = 4 seconds to drop 4 totems in a row.

I will pay closer attention but I’m pretty sure I have seen totems stacked perfectly and I swear 4 have dropped right next to me all at the same time.

unless the shaman is turning while putting down the totems in a certain way or theres some sort of cliff or small area that blocks the totems from being dropped in the way they usually drop , they arent stacked.

and it takes a full 4 globals to drop all 4.

it could be true I swear I seen them drop 4 at once or move them something. I’m usually running for my life to pay very close attention to the totem drops, so I could definitely be wrong. lol I was also wrong about the shaman nerf coming and got nerfed myself. it was a fun month back, but I think I remember why I don’t play anymore. do my final week and move on was pretty entertaining for awhile.

You are seeing Totemic projection. If this person was an honest person and not a ridiculous troll liar, they would have mentioned that Shaman got a book to relocate all their totems at once. Meaning that you can place totem ahead of a fight, and then move them later. Allowing you to prep your totems for things like fighting at BS. This is likely what you are seeing.

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