Sub Rogues already have more in their toolkit than any other class in PvP. The fact that they have Sap, Kidney and Blind on different DRs, along with smoke bomb is plenty. Shadowy duel as a second smoke bomb that also works with stealth abilities is over the top. Either make smoke bomb baseline and remove shadowy duel from the game, or make it so they can only talent into one of the two.
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Shadowy Duel wouldn’t bother me as much if it didn’t bug half the time and make it so both members on the enemy team can somehow still see/attack you.
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Nahhhhhhhhh.
It’s Gucci
i dont agree i think duel is a really unique ability with a high skill cap when used correctly. it just feels way too strong because sub is busted
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Very true. Think when slands comes out and sub is tuned a bit, no one will be complain about it as they haven’t for the past two xpacs.
yeah but it cost 50 energy lol and you can still recieve healing while in it,
Healer’s cant cast heals on them. They keep any hots that are on them.
they can use aoe abilites, same with smoke bomb, mw is hard countered by rogues, always will be
I’ll take nerfs to damage and not remove duel thanks. Shadowy Duel is my favorite ability in the game and I’m positively biased for it.
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The problem is that smoke bomb has the counterplay of people being able to move in/out of it. Shadowy duel has no positional requirement.
it cost half my energy bar, without azerite armour regen will be slow, can still be killed while in it lol, its just a 1v1 its not like it auto kills anything, if anything it puts rogue at huge disadvantage, it also has a skill cap to it, druids can stealth if team mate gets put into shadow duel, can miss huge windows of oportunity,
id say only thing u can do as mw is hit revival or reroll to a class with more utility,
all the fotm sins had to go sub feelsbad. still curious does anyone really play sin anymore? ive went agaisnt one and its still really really good.
cant even sap mid combat what is this spec even… also with vial nerfs it feels so squishy lol
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There isn’t a spec of rogue that is bad.
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Not everyone rerolls to whatever is good. There is still people who play what they enjoy the most.
Killing a rogue who duels you is wonderful tho… give them the Rorschach “I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me!.”
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It only puts the rogue at a disadvantage if they’re dumb lol…
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cuz sub is a spec that walks a very fine line between overtuned and balanced due to the amount of cc and burst you can put out with dance. nobody complained about it in bfa cuz sub’s burst wasnt as high
when you can dance like 3x a minute like now and every dance is scary duel becomes way too oppressive
this is why blizzard should just go back to old sub where you only dance once a minute, way easier to balance. but they have a bone for this crackhead dance every 30 seconds class fantasy or something idk
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Aoe abilities like legsweep, psychic horror, spirit link totem, etc. can work in duel. I havent seen anything outside vendetta or hunters mark ignore duel.
You can also duel iceblock, bop or bubble and be locked in a 1v0
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Ive seen it happen with multiples attacking as well as ive seen people
Life Swap a Dueled Target. Its a common bug in arena.