Shadows Rising: State of Azeroth Details

Im extremely curious, especially after Legion and all that, how the Uncrowed even stays together. I mean, you got the SI:7, Deathstalkers, Shattered Hand, Shado Pan, and a whole host of other, essentially, spy agencies just kinda… existing? Like, are you telling me they’re just not all ratting on each other?

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Bwon also takes Rastakhan’s soul. Bwon has personal psychopomp powers, which we’ve seen all of BFA with his resurrecting spirits from De Other Side and whatnot, so if he happened to choose to be around at the moment of someone’s death, he probably managed to get the soul first.

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I had to deal with a crazy blood troll weaboo to establish Fort Victory and they gave it up? Tsk tsk…

The lack of mention when it comes to the night elf territory is… concerning, given that it was literally the only actual Alliance territory taken in the war. Saurfang being saved from the Maw is… well, it matches up with how the writers have been framing him, so that was to be somewhat expected. It was either that or we save him from the Maw later.

I don’t like the implication that Bwonsamdi can save people from the Maw but Elune… can’t? That seems somewhat off, though at the same time it sort of matches up with them going with Bwon being a sort of wild card/black sheep type of entity, who gets by with tricks when raw power can’t cut it.

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Right you would think slyvanas would personally drag his soul to the maw.

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Can’t… or chose not to.

Bwon could because he’s a psychopomp and was materially there and managed to snatch up the soul. Presumably this may even be confirmation that there’s an Orc-centric afterlife we haven’t seen yet.

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Elune’s domain has typically been described as a kaldorei afterlife as well, though I suppose Blizzard can just go ‘lol that was just a myth, hokey religion, etc’ and go from there.

We saw her pull Ysera’s spirit from the grip of Nightmare so that she could be properly reborn, as well, so intervening in that way is certainly possible. I’m hoping the reveal will be that she’s been grappling with some other power this whole time and that’s why her interventions have been sparse.

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havent gone into too deep on the shadowlands spoilers trying to keep the questing experience and dungeons sort of “Fresh” so :S

Yeah, he indicates that the whole Maw thing is happening everywhere, and he is focused on making sure that the trolls at least end up in the right place. It was indicated that saving Zekhan was a near thing.

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Bwonsamdi also brings up that he’s struggling to hold any more souls from being pulled to the Maw.

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The realms we see in the expansion are just five out of an infinite myriad of afterlives. Which makes sense, the machine of death is broken, so we’re fixing the crucial realms that keep the afterlife running. Presumably, there are more restful ones for souls not called to service. Also, when asked why Draka wasn’t with Durotan, they said that one can eventually sort of retire from a given afterlife, and move on to another (suitable) one. And that, somewhere in roaming the infinite realms for all eternity, they could eventually find one another again. So, I’d say it’s possible he could find his family, and stay in a chill afterlife.

If the afterlife wasn’t broken, anyway. That’s the part I’m hung up on, is how he didn’t end up in the Maw.

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Increasingly looks like Elune’s domain in terms of death is Ardenweald then, adding to the notion that maybe Winter Queen is Elune’s daughter.

Maybe the Winter Queen is the “Persephone” of WoW, and stolen away by the Jailer at some point Long Ago™ from Elune

It’s in the book :V lmao

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Then why did you say it was in “De other side” :P.

was referring to Bwon’s summoning the dead to protect Dazaralor :stuck_out_tongue:

Sorry for the long delay in response, was at the Dentist. :frowning:

Also I only listed various State of Azeroth details, as I didn’t want to spoil the plot of the story. I actually really loved the story, and it competes with Shadow of the Horde as my favorite book of all of them.

That said, to answer a few questions:

Is Overlord Geya’rah no longer the leader?

The Mag’har representative is not named at all. That doesn’t mean it is not Geya’rah (and likely is), just that I am not trying to speculate on what information is presented.

This sounds a little off to me. I guess the Horde want to repair their losses, but forges are for metal work. Housing? That should be lumber and stone unless Orgrimmar is upgrading to skyscrapers, not really sure they are replacing in sure a hurry. Tools? Maybe but weapons is the most likely candidate, but it didn’t seem the Horde was lacking. Are they trying to rearm already?

It does not specify what they are making, but it should be noted that later in the book, the Alliance is still actively recruiting new soldiers as well. As both sides seem to have need of soldiers, and supplies. (Also don’t forget Horde Houses do seem to use a lot of metal)

Is there any detail about the Dragonblight?

Not mentioned at all, does not come up in the story at all. Sorry

I only have a minor problem with the saurfang stuff. as it almost retcons the stuff about all souls going to the maw.
Is bwonsamdi a mawwalker or something?

It is specified that Bwonsamdi has been, at great personal expense, been ‘catching’ Troll Souls that he can and sending them to Da Other Side. This includes the King. It would not be surprising to me if he specifically caught Saurfang as well.

Im extremely curious, especially after Legion and all that, how the Uncrowed even stays together. I mean, you got the SI:7, Deathstalkers, Shattered Hand, Shado Pan, and a whole host of other, essentially, spy agencies just kinda… existing? Like, are you telling me they’re just not all ratting on each other?

To be more exact: Shaw only mentions he knows her from the Uncrowned, he does not comment on the organization still being together or not. It makes sense that Shaw would have tried to keep some contacts from his interactions with them. That specific elf is said to have no loyalty to any faction, only to coin.

Right you would think slyvanas would personally drag his soul to the maw.

^ A bit of personal speculation on my part: But perhaps that’s why Bwonsamdi might have specifically saved him? To stick it to his enemies? He does like playing tricks.

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I would think he would like to play it safe. Keep unwanted attention off of himself and the souls he is protecting.

I think it’s pretty cheap that Saurfang gets to bypass the Maw when the people that died because of him don’t. Thinking specifically of the young night elf he killed in Astranaar, who was just trying to protect his home from Saurfang’s invasion. That poor guy is now suffering in the Maw while Saurfang is skipping along in the Elysian Fields or something.

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we knew that along time ago lol

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True, but I’ve seen too many people saying they can’t, and there was some confusion because of the audio drama, but now we know the truth. They can touch, when she is NOT in Void Form.

Also I found it interesting to note that a Lightforged Draenei could pass through Void Rifts! They just found it disturbing, not painful.

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Yeah, I’m also especially interested in which afterlife Sarufang went to that also had his wife and son there. And also allowed them to be all happy together, given what we know of how getting assigned an afterlife actually works now.

But OP left out the biggest reveal!

Bwonsamdi canonized Zappy Boy!

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To be fair, my list was more the details of Azeroth as a whole, not each characterization detail.
Mostly because I liked the book, and want to encourage people to read it.

A few other small details:
Ji Firepaw actually speaks, and does things. He gets more characterization in this book than he’s previously had. It’s not much but… he actually feels like a leader now, not just a random person stuck in the council.

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