cleansing the undercity actually makes a lot of sense, although that does go against one continent per faction
i can see that happening tho. i would 100% believe it if she were present in the zone but i don’t think she’s shown up in any leveling
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The player’s idea of values is more important than the book’s. Calia is not made to entertain NPCs. She’s supposed to entertain the Horde playerbase. At current, her writing only entertains Alliance and Alliance-apologetic players.
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I think the disconnect is more Blizzard thinks the majority of the playerbase and the majority of the Forsaken playerbase would care about notions of refugees, immigration, repatriation, loss, past vs future, “Prodigal Son” motifs, and other such narratives and evidently that is not the case.
They need to flesh out the narrative more, but this is a good direction that has only been touched twice in-game, once with Thrall reconnecting with his family in Nagrand, and the whole “Are you Orc enough?” narrative, and again with Jaina repatriating to Kul Tiras to face the judgment of her mother and her people who misunderstood why she abandoned Daelin to the Orcs.
Using this narrative for Calia and the Forsaken, and tying it in with Maldraxxus (given we already see that Teldrassil and the Night Elves are being tied to Ardenweald) solves the problem of the Sylvanas-Putress direction and provides a new way of Forsaken “being made” if the Primus shows the Forsaken how to create fully functional undead without Valkyr.
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I’ll admit I never thought of the diaspora angle before, so I can imagine how a lot of my specific anti-Calia arguments I’ve shared might come off as insensitive in that context. I can’t really speak about that.
I dunno, I just see the Lordaeron stuff and the curse of undeath as a symbol of depression permanently affecting the way you see the world, and how you can never really go back to a happier time. What makes me personally find Calia distasteful is that in the depression angle (or my interpretation of it), she doesn’t connect with the forsaken at all. And the implication that she can somehow treat or cure the forsaken of their brain problems rubs me wrong in one of two possible ways.
- She uses her light gifts to cure them. Some might make this an analogy to anti-depressants, but I hate this idea because pills aren’t, and will never be a cure.
- She provides counseling instead. This I just find irritating because it gives me the inference that in the 15ish or whatever years the forsaken have been around, not once has a single member of the entire civilization thought about talking through their problems until a magic glowy lady showed up to replace Sylvanas’s role as a spiritual or emotional guide.
I just…don’t want Lordaeron as it was to come back in any way. Let the memories live on, sure, but as a former human civilization in the game, I want it to remain dead forever.
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Yeah and? Sylvanas literally oppressed them
Woooo there it is, keep on supporting brutal dicators right? As long as it helps your side.
Which I think could be done via the hypothetical questline I’m imagining if Blizzard isn’t a complete idiot and there’s someone on their lore team in charge of this that has the range:
I violently agree in that Undeath shouldn’t be cured, let alone via “The Light”, but the thing is Azeroth’s undead is achieved strictly via shadow, fel, light, and sometimes even arcane.
But that’s why Calia was a “Discipline Priest Champion” in Legion. That’s why she was raised with Shadow and Light and a Naaru that was a Void God just a year ago and is still strangely purple.
I think Calia can learn Necromancy from the Primus, real Necromancy, not the off-brand dollar-store version of the Lich King and the Nathrezim, and “perfect” the Undead by preventing their bodies from rotting anymore and learn magic that will allow the Forsaken to grow (still raising the dead) without the need of Valkyr.
Or develop in Shadowlands how if any Azerothian ends up in Maldraxxus, they have a chance to be Undead. More “ethical”.
Yeah cause the people in charge of protecting the shadowlands are gonna be soooooo happy that souls that belong to them are kept from them cause of undead feelings lol
undeath is a curse, not a reward
Small correction, but from what I understand, Calia was never intended to feature in BtS in the first place. Golden pushed for her inclusion to replace someone who probably didn’t even exist in the game yet, so her Legion appearance wasn’t actually foretelling anything at the time.
THat doesnt mean the story wasnt gonna happen, just means that instead of her it was gonna be some no name character that no one never heard of. In fact golden said as much in a interview, she pushed for it to be calia instead of making a whole new character like blizzard wanted
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I’m speaking in regards to Calia being planned as a prodigal daughter returning to her homeland. Naturally that would be impossible if Calia wasn’t going to be used at all.
I think the story so far in going in the direction that Tyrande saves the Winter Queen by letting go of the Night Warrior’s power (which is tied to Ardenweald) to restore her and Ardenweald, and in return the Night Elves in majority are given the choice of returning to Azeroth and Teldrassil is restored but tied not to the Dream but to Ardenweald.
Do you disagree this is the likely direction of the story, and if so, how do you think that plotline will be resolved?
Doesn’t have to be. The entire basis of Maldraxxus is you are rewarded in (un)death for strength and duty.
your wrong buddy, just cause it wasnt planed to be calia doesnt mean they it couldnt have been a new lorderania noble woman
thats in death, not life, you simply cant get over the fact that undead shouldn’t exist, and the people will think this the most, is people of shadowlands, the maldraxxus warriors would more likely give them a place in the shadowlands then give them a cheat to stay out of the place they belong in.
I don’t think you can definitively tell me I’m wrong without anyone knowing what the original character was meant to be. All we do know is that Calia wasn’t originally meant to serve that role, which means she couldn’t have been planned by Blizzard at the time.
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does it matter if thats the story blizzard seems to be telling now?
I think given
- Undead do exist
- Undead on Azeroth were raised with offbrand dollar store necromancy
- Maldraxxus is the birthplace of Necromancy
- The Primus is thus the ruler of this birthplace of Necromancy
- Azeroth Undead have a problem of slowly rotting
- Maldraxxus undead do not appear to have this problem
- The Post Sylvanas Forsaken reality needs to be developed, as well as now-undead Calia
and also,
- Ardenweald is going to be used to progress the Night Elf Story
- Ardenweald has a system of rebirth
- Ardenweald depends on its trees, which by the end of questing I believe 2 are dead
- The growth of Trees is an extension of the WInter Queen’s power, who at the moment is weak
- Tyrande currently is carrying the Night Warrior, which is power that is tied to Ardenweald
What do you think is the likely conclusion of these two sets of information?
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The context of the conversation was whether or not it was originally intended, not whether or not it’s happening now. I feel your objection is irrelevant because nobody here is trying to deny that it seems to be her current angle.
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again, why would someone from shadowlands wnat the undead from azeroth to not past over to give them anima
Btw the maldraxxus undead arent undead, if they are, then so are the kyrian, night fae and the ventyr
Please answer my question
nothing happening cause you think the undead in malduraxxis are undead, they arent, they are beings, aliens from another plane of existiance, a plane that is composed of other beings made in the same way they are of, a place that needs more and more souls to fuction souls that stay away from them if they are risen into undeath
you are looking at the looks, you see a sketeton and assuming you know what it is, but you are wrong.