It is kind of funny that the Night Elves agree to talk to Thrall, but refuse to talk to Anduin because he didn’t keep his word to them.
Actually, even more than that, the Night Elves only finally answered one of Anduin’s missives when it was a message that he had something from the Horde that was meant for the Night Elves.
I’m glad to see the Cenarion Circle is still whole. They’re the only faction in the game I have any real fondness for anymore.
To be fair, they still only agreed to meet with Thrall on the stipulation that he brought what the Horde owes them. And even though it’s physically impossible for Thrall to even bring what’s owed, they meet with him anyway. So, if Anduin could see past the end of his own nose, and offer a reconcilatory gesture, he might at least get a response.
Maybe. After all, betrayal from your enemies is expected, but betrayal from your friends/allies cuts deeper.
That’s actually my least favorite part. It’s the same blind eye they turned during Cata to the havoc the Horde wreaks. It doesn’t make them wise, or noble, or “above it all”, or anything else they imagine. It jist makes them hypocritical, and I hate they ruined the Druid faction like that.
To be fair, the Horde Cenarion Circle Druids had been in Silithus since Malfurion sent them down there in Before the Storm well before the War of the Thorns, and unlike the war under Garrosh, I don’t recall having to fight any Tauren or Darkspear Druid NPCs during BfA.
Pretty sure they along with all the horde main races were there.
As far as I remember, Arathi was Orcs, Trolls, and Blood Elves, and the Darkshore Warfront was Goblins and Forsaken.
I don’t recall fighting any Tauren or Darkspear Druids during the various Faction Assaults on Zandalar or Kul’Tiras, either.
Sorry I misunderstood what part of the war you were talking about.
Um… that’s a weird conclusion to draw, and I’m not sure you read it right. That’s a requirement given to Thrall . To wash a thousand bodies of the several thousand. It has nothing to do with how many are actually burnt.
Roux is a smart author, and I doubt she would so easily throw a number just like that. The only thing it does confirm is that there were -at least- 1000 dead night elves, which is no small number.
Even if it was just 1000, that’s a huge loss of civilian lives, even by real life standards.
We don’t have numbers on population of Azeroth, so It is kinda hard to gauge so I’m just thinking “a thousand” being a lot.
There Is no reparation anyone could do, that is the harsh truth, you can’t undo things. The best for both factions would be moving foward, and act towards avoiding those types of conflicts, but the writers don’t want that, they want alliance and horde at each other’s throats, and they want the players to feel that way as well, and guess what, Teldrassil made sure that will happen.
It sucks, because legit good characters have to be tainted by that, Tyrande, Thrall, Malfurion.
Is this cited or an assumed number? Do we have better numbers to go off of? Only other thing is the quest given to Alliance to rescue 1000 civilians in the BfA pre-patch.
And unfortunately, one is not confirmatory, unless you imply gameplay scale is accurate, and the other is a reading oversight.
Now what I only know is that atleast thousand are dead, which is no small number.
I agree. However, there are a couple posters who have posited that the death toll of Teldrassil alone was anywhere from tens of thousands to millions.
Considering how easy it is for Players to kill a thousand one would think it is easy to send a thousand(or more) Sylvanas Loyalists in the Horde to the Alliance as prisoners to be executed…
I doubt there are thousand loyalists to “You are all nothing!” unless real-life sycophancy (read: masochism) translates into the game.
We don’t have canon population numbers, so it is very unclear how much a thousand night elves would be…
1%, 10%, 50%?
Even if it is a little number, at least is not getting downplayed in the lore.
Then perhaps round up a thousand of the more violent and bloodthirsty Orcs & Trolls and send them to the Night Elves in chains for execution.
YEah how dare someone speak against murder, HOW DARE SHE
Who is going to hold whom for trial?
The only reason that there were Nuremburg Trials was because Germany was a defeated enemy. The parralell situation does not exist here. The Alliance did not conquer the Horde. What happened is that the Horde reconciled the division within itself. it is no longer divided into a Saurfang faction vs Sylvannas factions as the two principals are either dead or have abdicated their positions.
The Alliance does not have the means to hold a united Horde accountable for the crimes you wish to hang them for. Nor are they going to take the cross for the crimes of Sylvannas. And the Alliance does not have the means to compel them to do so.
Now Shandris or Tyrande can certainly start another war, but not even the Night Warrior is so omnipotently powerful that it would become anything but a meatgrinder for the remaining Alliance forces as the Horde would become united in its self-defense. You castigate Shandris for the wisdom of realizing that.
This reminds me of a response that I never got to respond to because I was away for a few weeks:
This idea of forced reparations on a defeated party is an outdated concept at this point, when generally reparations are more thought of as this now:
In transitional justice, reparations are measures taken by the state to redress gross and systematic violations of human rights law or humanitarian law through the administration of some form of compensation or restitution to the victims. Of all the mechanisms of transitional justice, reparations are unique because they directly address the situation of the victims. Reparations, if well designed, acknowledge victims’ suffering, offer measures of redress, as well as some form of compensation for the violations suffered.[2] Reparations can be symbolic as well as material. They can be in the form of public acknowledgement of or apology for past violations, indicating state and social commitment to respond to former abuses.
Proponents of reparations assert[3][4] that in order to be effective, reparations must be employed alongside other transitional justice measures such as prosecutions, truth-seeking, and institutional reform.[5] Such mechanisms ensure that compensatory measures are not empty promises, temporary stopgap measures, or attempts to buy the silence of victims.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_(transitional_justice)
That would serve very little purpose.