What are you talking about? Survival had melee since vanilla. It wasn’t purely melee but the talents were there. Also, this isn’t a new change. To reword your post, “Imagine taking the only melee spec of a class with two ranged specs and making it a third ranged spec…” Which scenario sounds worse?
I’m down for removing the pet component of Survival, it bugs too much to be reliable just like for BM. I’m down for more dots always. Survival as melee has just been a neglected spec. It is so close to being one of the best in out the abilities interact in unique and interesting ways, but they always feel compelled to, forgive the reference, clip its wings before it can reach its full potential.
It wasn’t a spec back then. And to clarify: Specs as we see them today, come with the purpose of providing us with distinct and defined identities. Completely separate experiences from that of other specs, even within the same class.
That’s not what we saw in Vanilla.
Vanilla SV, was simply a talent category which contained talents focused on survivability through added utility, defensive effects, improvements to traps and damage in general. It also had some improvements to our melee capabilities. But only a few and those were all intended to be entirely situational.
Nothing you could pick, took priority over the base core functions of the class as a whole. And that was a ranged fighter who relied on using a pet.
This one(if we don’t count the fact that there are only 2 ranged weapon-specs in the entire game), ofc.
But since that didn’t happen, it’s not a valid argument.
Like I said in the other topic. SV has received to complete overhauls in as many consecutive expansion. If anything, for the past 4 years, SV has gotten the most attention of all hunter specs.
It could reasonably work. Change WFB to a fast ticking short duration DoT like ES was, keep the short range cleave. Keep Serpent Sting. Drop Kill Command, add Lacerate, with a chance on Lacerate tick to reset WFB cooldown. All it needs is active Focus regen, which could be accomplished by returning a small amount per DoT tick - which lets SV scale well with additional targets, similar to other DoT-based specs like Affliction and Shadow, and what SV did best in MoP/WoD.
Make Mongoose baseline, Give us fury of the Eagle back, give us a unique group/raid utility move. More than anything i miss my fury move from Legion. If they were to add raid utility and that, im happy.
No argument there. I’ve argued a couple times it need utility to make it competitive especially as one of the 4 pure dps classes. It loses the freedom the two ranged specs have, it needs something to further justify it’s existence. The tool kit of all the other melee specs is more robust when the exception of maybe warrior.
I promise you that if WoW survived for another 10 years ( I don’t think it will but lets imagine) and if survival still remained melee and ranged SV was never brought back, that 10 years from now you will still have people resentful about SV’s rework. Ranged SV was spec enjoyed by many.
Hatfields and McCoys style? “My daddy, an’ my daddy’s daddy, both hated MSV. You take yer yella, no good, polearm swingin’, spec-ruinin’ mail-warrior outta my key, before I count to ten…”
Because you’re only making yourselves miserable. But hey, that’s your choice.
Being frustrated by something that’s not likely going change, and wishful thinking in the hopes that they might revert, is only going to make you bitter.
I’ll be honest, I miss the days of playing Survival when we had a mana bar but things change.
I dno if “miserable” is the right word but if anything, the act of deleting RSV was what did it, not what we’ve done since.
Not so far!
But yeah, this was a frequent point people tried to make for all those who kept asking for Vanilla/Classic to come back as well. And look where we are now…
“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” -Marcus Aurelius
Not to say you are, just a really good quote that seemed relevant.