Shadowlands is an unfinished game

We all purchased an unfinished game, where the only balanced feature is the one they strike between “rewarding” you and cuckholding you.

I have not used an item from the great vault even once, because it keeps dropping items I already have, and the other choices are simply not upgrades.

PvP is a cheese-fest. It rewards exploitative gameplay more than coordination and skill cap.

Need to get that first +10 run? Good luck, you have to already complete a +10 to get invited to a +10.

Want that nice legendary? You better put 4 hours into torghast for 4 weeks straight, and definitely DO NOT DIE on the last boss, or you’re looking at 6 hours.

Listen, good job giving us buttons that are fun to press. Now can you make it a game that we WANT to log in to?

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They are too lazy to polish the game.

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It’s a $50 patch.

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This explains the Twitter defense squad in those threads

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You had me until here.

Of course we wont invite you to a +10 if you haven’t done anything close to a 10 before… Why would I, or anyone, invite someone to a +10 if the highest they did was a 3, or a 5?

There are 2 more affixes, and less forgiving mechanics. This, this alone is what bothers me about people. Thinking they don’t have to climb the ladder like the rest of us did… ffs man

Not to mention, your first 10… Should be YOUR key. 90% of my M+ are my keys. The other 10% are people I know. Build up your own key. Fail your own key so you can learn. Everyone has a chance to be good, but people will take the person with the higher probability of being good… aka someone who has completed it prior.

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Open beta for 1.5 years at least. Shame that’s how it is.
And…

More like +15, aotc, and selling your house to do a +10 :crazy_face:

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So… how exactly did people get their first 10 done, if the only way to get invited to a 10 is to already have done a 10?

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Wierd. Nothing you referenced supports the idea that the game is unfinished.

It just looks like you don’t like the systems and want to complain.

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RNG is RNG. I’ll take the vault over 10 weeks of the same cloak that I got in BfA, or the 6 weeks of bracers followed by 4 weeks of legs I got in Legion.

Thankfully it isn’t the only source of gear.

Cant comment, I loathe PvP with the intensity of molten steel. I will avoid every aspect of it.

So work your own key up? That’s what most of us had to do to get the +10 or higher keys we have. And I’m sorry, but after failing a bunch this expansion already on alts, I have to look at IO. Most people cannot be trusted to know mechanics, and it’s sad that they’d rather make up excuses than learn the game.

I mean, getting to Layer 8 does take a good while. But once there, it’s two wings a week at 1-1.5 hours total between them. And I still have a Rank 1 do Rank 4 isn’t a requirement for doing Heroic or M+ content right now.

Your evidence isn’t indicative of an unfinished game, just some issues that may or may not be a combination of the game inhibiting and the player base not performing.

Honestly other than server stability and the litany of bugs, the game has been better than past X.0 patches. Just my opinion on if, of course.

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The game is trash. I’ve killed lots of heroic bosses over the past few weeks and not much for it. Maybe 1 item? Screw this game dude.

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I don’t see the issue? There are MECHANICS in these dungeons that must be followed.

I started M+ last week and I’m already up to 9 - level your own keys or join a guild.

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I loved it when I started. I praised it to my friends and tried to get them to join me.
now I play it far less. Tell my friends to stay the freak away.

The Maw, Torghast and the terrible loot options killed the fun.
BUT, I do love Ardenweald, and I like ALL the Covenants. So I still raid, and I still enjoy that part of the game.

I just no longer ask anyone to join me. I don’t want them to suffer through the Maw and Torghast.

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This has nothing to do with being lazy. The development process for video games just does not provide a budget anymore for QoL and polishing. Plenty of developers simply loathe this, but they’re not the ones holding the bag of money. The last decade of gamers have demonstrated it’s perfectly okay to release a broken buggy mess, so that’s what started happening.

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Your response is fine, and I agree. but it is NOT that simple.
Many guilds have their groups of hardcore players, and they almost always only lay with each other. Your best option is to take the hours it can take long time it can take, to form your own group. And that sucks as well.
Bottom line with Mythics, they are amazing for groups that run together. But they divide the community even further, by separating gear level and “raidio”, not to say, if you happens to be a warrior … good luck

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Killed 14 bosses last week, no loot, except for a cloak I had gotten twice already. And then on heroics, not even Anima, cause, hey you got it from Normal. Come on Blizz. Oh and the vault was broken, so no loot from the 10 bosses killed on normal.

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More like: you have to have already completed 10 +10s to get into a +10

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Nope, a finished game would address bad game design including choke points between casual and hardcore players and points of frustration regarding the loot systems.

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What we pay is a beta version and blizzard will fix it bit by bit every patch (maybe 1% each time). That’s why there is all these time gate, renown gate, Soul Ash gate, TG gate, loot gate, rep gate, no flying mount with my whistle so you have waste time running (be tankful they only disable mount in the MAW).

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A finished game would have a balance that properly rewards players for their time, doesn’t arbitrarily frustrate some players and not others, and doesn’t contain glaring pvp imbalance. It’s like no one tested this at all.

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Game usually comes out of Beta by the .3 patch, I heard a rumor that long ago it was once fixed by the .1 patch but I can not find a credible source…