Does Sylvanas Windrunner have to save him as part of her penance? On the top of my head, MU Gul’dan’s crimes are
Murder of the old shaman who tried to help him.
Conspiring with Kil’jaeden to manipulate the orcs for the act of wiping out the draenei.
Having the orcs drink the blood of Mannoroth which made them corrupt and even more bloodthirsty.
Creating a fel volcano called the Hand of Gul’dan which corrupted Shadowmoon Valley.
Causing Draenor to slowly die.
Directly or indirectly committing genocide on several races on Draenor(Sylvanas will at least find a kindred soul).
Helping Sargeras architect what would be the beginning of the Alliance vs Horde conflict.
Ordering the assassination of Durotan and Draka.
Betraying and killing the nercolyes loyal to him to create his version of the death knights.
Abandoning the Horde to seek out the Tomb of Sargeras to claim Sargeras’s power( 2 betrayals with one act).
I would say that Gul’dan’s rap sheet might be bigger than Sylvanas’s.
My take on Gul’dan is that he was either so saturated with fel that he was functionally a demon, or was so directly dangerous, even while dead, that he had to be put into essentially a quarantine cell.
I lean towards he was more demon than orc, because lore wise that’s how he was described. Assuming fel corrupted his soul than he would be in the Twisting Nether.
He says every soul deserves a chance… does that mean like every soul gets a get out of jail free card? But what if they botch or misuse or refuse that chance? What happens then?
Does he mean every soul deserves infinite chances until they find redemption? Or just a chance, as in, one chance?
He also says every mortal deserves a voice. Almost sounds like it could be delegated to a public defender type of situation. Is he saying mortals have a voice but not the ultimate choice? What qualifies as the mortals voice, and how much weight does it have in the decision?
What would Pelagos do with Garrosh? He was unrepentant. Guldan likely would lie and say he wants redemption, if he could fool Pelagos, and get a chance at redemption, and then go evil again because he never felt remorse… so what would Pelagos do with Guldan, then?
At the end of the Lucifer series, that’s exactly his new role in Hell. He’s going to be there until every single soul is redeemed. That’s why he’s not sitting on a throne but in a recreation of his therapist’s office.
As to what Pelagos meant, that may well be up to the beholder.
Garoosh ultimately chose non-existence. That puts him beyond Pelagos.
The one person Gul-dan can’t fool is Gul-Dan. You can’t be redeemed without that specific desire to have it happen. Literally nothing can be hidden from the Arbiter. So assuming Gul-dan doesn’t will himself to oblivion he’d probably be sent to Revendreth.
Again as in the Lucifer series. Souls aren’t condemned to Hell or Revendreth… they condemn themselves.
I mean - for example - what would Pelagos have done with Garrosh, if he were the Arbiter when Garrosh was killed by Thrall? Just keep him in Revendreth for ever? Does that make Revendreth the defacto Maw?
Garrosh is not unique in being unrepentant, and he won’t be the last. Pelagos says everyone gets a chance at redemption, but what happens to folks who do not want redemption?
As far as Garrosh, I don’t know if people can really will themselves to non existence, maybe he was weakened after the boss fight. If people could just will themselves to nonexistence, he could have done it before. Instead, he goes out after we break the chains. So I don’t know if souls can will themselves to non existence, especially if they are bound.
Though, non existence sounds like a choice Pelagos might offer going forward. It could hurt the cycle of the Shadowlands. But some might want it over the other options.
I wouldn’t be too sure.
Denathrius and the Dreadlords already took out an Arbiter with a loaded soul bullet. Denathrius is still out there. It isn’t hard to imagine that he could find a way to get a lie passed the Arbiter with some evil soul willing to lie.
The Arbiter can see through souls and their histories. It is heavily implied the Arbiter can see even mortal souls that haven’t died, like Sylvanas, and he also knew Tyrande’s mind about her judgement, so he can likely also understand their minds.
Kinda OP, but the Arbiter is no longer just a spirit but the hand of the setting’s creators.
Plus the Jailer had a shot at redemption. The whole point of originally imprisoning him instead of killing him in the first place was that the Eternal Ones - particularly the Primus, evidently - hoped that the eons spent in Torghast would allow him to reflect on his deeds and eventually change his ways. Unfortunately they didn’t know that he had allies on the outside, meaning instead of squarely facing the prospect of eternity in the Maw if he didn’t change, from the moment he was imprisoned Zovaal’s headspace was already occupied by the knowledge that plans that were being put in motion to get him out again.
You’re being incredibly optimistic by assuming THAT was the fatal flaw in their plan, rather than the far more simple fact that locking him away would never have worked because putting people in superhell isn’t actually a path to redemption.
That sounds like a fun side story. What of the folks who feel at home in the Maw? Among them, maybe some innocent folks, as well as Evil Lords who established their own fiefdoms in the power vacuum.
If Sylvanas walks up to the broken ramparts of some Mawsworn who like it just fine where they are… Is she supposed to take them in against their will by force?
Tyrande tasked Sylvanas to empty the Maw. Sylvanas could then point to Tyrande as her Commander if she does even more… objectionable stuff, while emptying the Maw.