Shadow Priests need adjusting

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Blizzard please, You can buff Shadow Word: Death to high heavens it’s useless in Raiding content, it’s not apart of our rotation, it has use in PvP for a execute on 12 seconds, but it does nothing in a raid situation. It’s in no way going to compete with Penance as it literally doesn’t cause us to take 100% of the damage back at us.

Casters and Healers are already complaining about mana, yet your solution is to further put strain on Healers mana to simply dps or worse our own when we have received ZERO runes to help address our mana issues. I feel like I’m in Bizarro World.

SW:Death at best has its uses in PvP and Leveling, no way it should be considered a fix for Raiding content. We simply cannot self manage the damage received or expect Healers to try remedy the backlash. This is Classic, you should definitely have known better before even considering this Rune. Phase 2 it’s further just going to cause problems as it’s eventually going to hit 40% harder. It’s just going to chunk ourselves every 12 seconds and our only remedy in Shadow Form is a minuscule 20% healing from Vampiric Embrace or a insanely costly PW:Shield.

Btw Rank 6 PW:Shield is 250 Mana to shield 394, it won’t even cover SW:Death backlash at 40 as it scales with level and insanely more with Spell Power. So essentially for us to dps effectively in raid you want us to spend about 400+ mana. It’s crazy.

Is a great suggestion, this makes Void Plague compete with Mind Sear, so AoE vs ST, then SW: Death competes with Twisted Faith, PvP/Leveling vs Raiding. It simply makes more sense.

Nothing changes as is for PvP, we still can run Void Plague, Homunculi and SW: Death, but for PvE it’s going to be night and day.

Twisted Faith + Void Plague + Homunculi is great combination for Raid Situations and so flexible, a lot of AoE? Mind Sear can switch in.

But regardless all of this is still obsolete if our mana issue isn’t addressed and shocked it still hasn’t.

How Twisted Faith doesn’t make Mind Flay free to cast is beyond me, it’s a Weak Talent that can be turned if free at least a reliable stream of dps and a way to maintain Shadow Weaving when most definitely we OOM casting the 5 GCDs to get Shadow Weaving up…

Shadow Priest needs this, we have zero Talents in the shadow tree that reduce mana unlike many other casters, Shadow is infinitely weaker baseline due to our abilities unable to crit. We have zero channeling protection until phase 3, level 47 we can get Martyrdom that only activates when we are crit.

Phase 4 at lvl 53 we can finally get Meditation 3/3 which lets 15% mana regen while casting and finally at 60 Mental Agility 5/5 10% reduced mana on instant cast.

Please, Mind Flay needs to be free cast, it’s ridiculous this wasn’t even considered.

Seriously please re look into Shadow Priests, adjust Runes, swap them around or what you expect people to wait to 60 to be sub par?. We don’t expect to to topping dps metres, we never have we just want to be mediocre at best and to get our niche back of being mana batteries like in future expansions.

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Priests are the best healers in the game. They cannot have good dps too, it’s bad enough they’re unkillable, it would be far worse if they output warrior/rogue level dps as well. The only way shadow can work is with a rune that nerfs priest healing dramatically, like completely disable their holy spells dramatic.

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Homincli is bad for pvp. I run Pom as spriest, need one of the good shadow runes in legs.

2 min cd that does nothing but annoy a healer, vs one of the top two spells in the game

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Hi, Shadowform next phase already accounts for this by being very costly to go back into after dropping and automatically dropping when you cast any holy spell.

Priest DPS should be viable, there’s no reason for it not to be, your issues with priest atm are entirely relegated to runes a dps priest wouldn’t even be taking anyways, if they don’t have penance or PoM, they’re still great off healers in a pinch but can easily be shut down by anyone with functioning eyeballs and a kick button bound just like any other healer.

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Shadowform doesn’t adequately do this. It’s not even a requirement to use in pvp, in fact as you stated you’re better off not using it while in combat. A priest starts in shadowform, gets the damage reduction and damage boost, then can drop it for 0 mana and heal themselves to full. At that point they don’t need to reuse it. They can finish the battle without the pitiful 15% shadow damage.

Now if shadowform was the only way a priest could use shadow abilities, you might have a stronger argument.

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no one’s going deep shadow for that lol, at best you’ll get half and half priests which you’re already going to get and they’re already strong in pvp,

what we want is mana regen for PVE priests to actually have a chance to partake in pve fights without the tank running out, something on a dps rune like Twisted Faith to ensure it’s not gonna make healer priest’s stronger, maybe even a rune that makes shadowform better (crit dots? that’d be nice honestly)

i’m not asking for a priest that’s a glorified healer with a shadow coat, i’m asking for a priest dps that wants to focus on dps and pick runes that help their dps.

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I agree with you. It would be nice to allow priests to dps. I think the only way it is realistically possible though is to make it so priest heals barely did anything at the same time when the player goes this route.

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I’m not asking anyway shape of form for dps buffs, if anything I think the SW:Death buff is ridiculous for Classic. Literally the first half of my post is saying this.

If you read my post I’m asking for rune switching and adjustments, like handling our mana issues. Mind Flay literally now just slightly better dps then wands if using Twisted Faith …I even left off saying

I don’t know how much clearer I can be!?

Shadow Priest cannot top metres, our talents in Classic do not support this in anyway, just you’d think when Blizzard announced they’d be fixing “Meme Specs” and literally show a pic of a Shadow Priest, you’d assume things would be different from Classic moving into SoD.

They’ve done absolute wonders in making another meme spec viable in phase 1, Balance Druids, yet with Shadow Priests it’s a stretch to ask?. Maybe if Shadow was a viable option we wouldn’t see so much Disc/Holy Priests, heck I’m only healing as it’s literally the only viable option to be included in PvE content, we don’t have an alternative option.

Edit: I just want to also mention we get Mind Flay Rank 3 at level 36 next Phase, it does 186 damage over 3 seconds, Channeled with zero interruption protection, Classes/Specs are doing double the damage now and it’s gonna cost us 100 mana per cast… this being a free filler is no way going to skyrocket us to compete with any dps spec. It’s simply a way to steadily do some dps, maintaining Shadow Weaving and most importantly conserve mana… seriously it doesn’t even compete with Auto Attacks. You really think this is going to make us to dps on par to a Warrior/Rogue??.

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yes they need, hopefully they add some kind of voidform next phase that actually improves the DPS

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Thanks! It really does feel like there’s a lot of mismatched slots on runes, not just for priest.

Yes they can. That is literally the design philosophy of SoD.

Warriors are the best tanks and the best DPS.

PVP balance does not dictate PVE balance and vice versa.

Homunculi are very nice to have around, once they fix their god awful AI. PoM and homunculi serve two completely different purposes, there is no reason to compare them directly like that. And that would be prioritizing PVP changes (which are subjective) over PVE changes (which are objective). No thanks.

As someone that actually PVP’d heavily as shadow in Classic this is just foolish. Fighting a single person often consumed nearly the entire mana bar, even more if you had to heal. And unless the priest is prioritizing the healing runes and NOT the dps runes, they are going to have to rely on Flash Heal, the least efficient heal priests have.

It’s also comical from a PALADIN to complain about people not being taxed for their healing, having a position as the best PVP healer at 60 from Classic and ret now having the best burst damage of all classes. Where is your bubble heal tax?

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Right now you have a full heal for 79 mana, so your point isn’t valid. Priests need massive nerfs. They’re completely OP, and should never be given meaningful damage abilities.

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“Priests are the best healers in the game. They cannot have good dps too”

This might be the worst logic I have ever read. Shadow priests are unbelievably bad in the PvE environment, even after all of the “Fixes”. Just have the mind sear rune also allow Mind Flay to crit and do 25% more damage. Now our primary damage channel is now somewhat tolerable.

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Buffing their pve performance buffs their pvp performance, which they’re already completely unkillable in. For priests to get any significant improvements while using shadow spells, they need to somehow take a huge hit to their healing. Maybe that comes in the form of making it so they have to be in shadowform to deal decent shadow damage, and leaving shadowform puts a debuff on them which makes it so their healing is reduced by 75%-100% for a long period of time.

You people aren’t reading to understand as usual. You’re reading to react. I’m not saying priests should never parse. I’m saying they can’t parse and keep their current healing power at the same time. It’s busted.

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This isn’t classic anymore, but classic +. Just because a class is good (healing priest) doesn’t mean the other specs of that class can’t be good either (shadow). They’re not asking for healing buffs but shadow mana / appropriate damage buffs; has nothing to do with healing. If blizzard can’t separate the two from being independently decent without buffing the other than the problem is on their team…

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Again, not reading to understand. Just throwing your nonsense opinion out because you just want to react.

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No it’s quite the opposite, you’re tunnel visioned on priest as a whole being broken (which is healing priest) and think that’s good enough for shadow. You’re concerned with buffing shadow will make healing priest even more broken?

You’re trapped in the classic mindset of the class being good and not the spec

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The irony of this coming from a paladin.

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My dude, I play a priest too. I’m pointing out how extremely strong they are. The healing and damage don’t exist in isolation. Shadow priests have full access to full powered healing spells. Please read my post above where I suggested a way to disable healing and empower shadow abilities.

You’re not reading nor being constructive. You’re just complaining.

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Then what’s your recommendation? I don’t understand how shadow can’t be buffed independently of healing to make them competitive in pve? (I do think they’ll be fine however come 40, just mana may be the issue)

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If you read my posts you would’ve seen it.

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