Shadow Priests in PvP BGs Actually Quite Decent

Hi all, this is my shadow priest and it was my main in WoD. I came back after 8 years to level it again, now having leveled an 80 Warlock, Evoker, and Mage before it.

I read many comments on this forum that shadow priests lack mobility, melee peels, and must hard cast everything. I kind of disagree with this, and think that shadow priests are actually quite fun and decent after playing BGs in PvP for a while.

I may be wrong about this, and it’s true that shadow priests are still relatively squishy, but I’m mainly comparing it to my warlock and my shadow priest main in WoD:

1) Lack of Melee Peels

To be honest, the closest comparison to a shadow priest is an affliction warlock, which only has 1 melee peel: either howl of terror or mortal coil (you can only take one). For shadow priests, you have both void tendril and psychic scream both at once, and the latter is on a shorter cooldown.

For smaller engagements, shadow priests also have psychic horror to stun a target and briefly get away (fade + angelic feathers). Silence also helps a bit against hybrid classes like shamans that can frost shock you pre-emptively.

I know warlocks are far bulkier with many more defensive abilities, but we have at least 3 solid abilities to get melee off us.

This is far better than WoD, where we had to choose between psychic scream or void tendrils. We couldn’t have both.

2) Lack of Escape Spells

I also don’t fully understand the complaints on the forum. As an affliction warlock, their escape spells are a little clunky to use. They can soul burn and instant cast a gateway, click on an area to run away, then click on the gateway, which can be a little tedious. They also have soul burn: demonic circle to free themselves from all snares, but needs the circle to be put on pre-emptively.

Shadow priests, with enough talents, can get fade to just 20 seconds cooldown, remove all snares, and with the right PvP talent, make you invulnerable for 1 second. You can then combine it with body and soul (PW:S) or angelic feathers to briefly run away.

We also have dispersion, which frees us from all snares, and with the right talents, is on a 90 sec cooldown, and it heals us, increasing our speed further to run away.

3) Having to Hard Cast Everything

In WoD, we had instant mind blasts and lots of mind spike procs, which made me felt like a gatling gun.

I thought in this expansion, Voidform would make our non-void form very weak, but it isn’t true at all!

With the right talents, you can get instant cast Psyfiend and Voidwraith. You also get proc-based instant casts like instant Vampiric Touch burst after the first Vampiric Touch is cast, instant mind blasts, and instant shadow word: death procs.

This is quite similar to a warlock’s nightfall and malefic rupture procs.

Shadow priests also get Shadow Crash, that applies Dots to everyone, much like an affliction warlock’s Jinx, phantom singularity, Soul Rot, and soul swap.

Altogether, shadow priests and affliction warlocks have lots of instant procs that let them do damage while moving.

To make matters even better, void form’s void blast no longer replaces mind blast, so you get an instant cast every 6 seconds. You can also take divine star (though the damage is very low), instant cast and no CD holy nova (but I rarely use, but it helps a bit sometimes), and with voidweaver, your void torrents can be cast while moving.

Conclusion

Note that this is just from my perspective and opinion. I’m not here to troll or say that there’s nothing wrong with shadow PvP. I don’t do arenas, and focus entirely on PvP BGs.

Understandably, a shadow priest’s survivability is by no means as good as a warlock, who has soul leech, both Fel and Demon armor, Fel synergy, soulburned demonic healthstones, soulstone, dark pact, demonic resolve, soulburn AoE drain life with soul rot, +15% health from talents, shadowy bulwark, phantom singularity AoE heal, etc.

However, shadow priests do have better escapes and sizable instant cast procs and mobility and melee peels, which are mostly better than a warlock’s.

I don’t think shadow priests are meant to engage many classes 1 vs 1, unlike affliction warlocks, but we just need a bit of wits and love to play well in BG PvP:

  1. When you are focused on, use fade and run away with body and soul + feathers then blend with your allies.

  2. When you are focused on, use dispersion to run away to your allies, and keep a low profile for a while.

  3. When you have many melee on you, psychic scream or void tendrils and get away.

  4. Blend into the background, and like WoD, your role is mainly as a support DPS, not a direct engagement fighter like a warrior or warlock who can tank a lot of damage.

  5. Use your multiple interrupts - silence, psychic horror, etc. - to shut down some classes and cut them down.

  6. Dot up everyone with shadow crash → VT + SW:P and hide in the background, and find someone to burst down and give psychic link damage.

Overall, compared to WoD, I think shadow priest PvP is far better, with melee interrupts being cut down (which was terrible back then), with comparable instant casts, escapes, and better melee peels.

As said, I don’t know anything about arenas for this expansion, as I stopped doing them. However, from a strictly PvP BG standpoint, I found shadow priests very fun, fluid, and flexible to play. Because of their hit-and-run tactics, I found them more fun than my affliction warlock, whose role is mainly to multi-dot. Shadow priests have a few versatile tools like mass dispel and many ways to shut down a target more than warlocks that make them really fulfilling to play.

What do you all think?

Am I missing out something so far?

Edit:

Oh yea, and devouring plague spams as more instant casts and self-healing.

Only 1?
Darkfury? Demonic Circle? Demonic Gateway? Fear? Seduction?

Instant cast CC is not the only peel in the game. Getting away is still peeling an enemy off yourself.

Removes all snares. Does not make you immune to them.
ie. You can be immediately re-snared.

I get where you’re trying to come from, but thinking the class is great after not playing it for 8 years, while everyone else who has mained it this entire time is adamant that it’s in a bad spot, does not make it good.

Priests (Though less so Disc PvP) are in bad states and balancing terribly all around.

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In bgs you can make it work. In bgs you can avoid 4/5 issues shadow have by just good positioning.

In arenas if you get focused, and i mean REALY focused, by two melees and a healer that have kick too for some reason then you will understand the complaints.

Its not about the dam or win/lose, its about the infuriating feeling of getting railed up and theres close to nothing you can do about it without peels/help from others.

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i think sp just needs

  • instant void eruption-dark ascension- mind blast-mind spike:insanity
  • 50 starting insanity while out of combat (at least VE or DA generates 50)
  • real buff to swp +vt
  • huge buff to DP as main and only spender.

and done

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You’re only comparing Spriest to aff lock, and still not mentioning the tons of tools lock has. Or talking about their own short comings. That being said:

All these instant procs require your dots on targets which need to either be hard cast or aimed with shadow crash. Also easily removed so you need to redot. (Not like instant mind blast is really hitting hard)

The peel you do mention is pretty subpar. Psychic scream can be broken, void tendrils can be killed, psyfiend can be killed. Fade only removes snares. No immunity.

Psychic horror and dispersion heal requires investing 2 EXTRA talent points into the first tier due to talent tree issues.

I’m not going to hate on Spriest completely, they hav some good stuff. Their clunky and need help, but pretty much all the things you listed aren’t what’s good about them.

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I feel like VT could use a rework for sure the dispel protection on it just isn’t there with the kinds of dispels we’ve got going on today idk what you would do to fix it tbh but it needs a change