I don’t really ever post on the forums. But this is getting to be just sad. Whether your a high-end content pusher or just a casual enjoyer of the game, Shadow Priest has completely just lost its identity. I understand the whole void theme but the class has been gutted and remade countless times. In Midnight it feels like the worst iteration of the spec.
- Voidform is actually just a useless TWO minute cooldown with zero interaction other then being a dmg buff. Most classes have moved away from the whole two minute cooldown because it just doesn’t fit in the games speed anymore. Make this a one minute cd with more interaction with talents or apex because nothing seems to go together.
- These “idol” talents are just bad. Idol of C’Thun for example summoning Void Tendrils that can cast Mind Sear. Demo warlocks summons do around 5x more “Mind Sear” damage then the class the spell originated on.
I know this post isn’t as well thought out/written than post people would like and I don’t really care. I’m just tired of the spec I have enjoyed the most over the past 15 years feeling like it’s always a last thought or they just don’t know what to do with. Just go back to the roots of the spec, stop trying to recreate it every expansion or so.
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Your voice and feedback matters
No matter how many come here to shut you down. It matters.
And trust me you will get them coming here shutting your voice. Ignore them. They serve no purpose
I am glad you shared this. There are so many like you, infuriated and frustrated by these poor changes and lack of thought out designs.
We need more like you to share these feelings so something can happen
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I would say post prune there are a few more specs that aren’t strictly 2 minutes, but there’s still plenty that are. Plus, it’s definitely got interaction. We do an initial void volley and then get several void valley casts from every void eruption.
Shadow hasn’t been just void eruption for quite some time. Hero trees solved this problem by moving power budget into shorter CDs - entropic rift and halo/mind flay windows do significant damage outside of voidform.
I don’t think what you are saying aligns with reality.
This Nasuuna character is the problem. Too many people ignore concerns and come in to tell people to just be happy being the bottom tier dps with terrible design and no viable alternative spec to just be happy with it because they enjoy what isnt viable and want to shut down discussions.
I agree Casper its not going to be viable in any high end content and given blizzards track record for the last 6 years… I think the beat choice is to play another class. They don’t take our feedback into account and its always met woth Nasuuna’s who will downplay and Stonewall the discussion while settling into casual play
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If you enjoy the current place of shadow then good on you. I’m just sharing my opinion, I will not devalue yours. Take the time to look at the place of other classes (Other than arms warrior).
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I think it’s hard to parse your opinion, because there’s some contradictory pieces at play. You’re simultaneously saying that Shadow has been gutted and remade countless times, but that it somehow has “roots” or some core identity that it should be once again remade into. If constant reworks are bad, why are you insinuating that shadow needs another one?
There’s also this gap between the reality that shadow really hasn’t had had a lot of major work done since shadow lands, and we’ve actually iteratively gotten better tools for handing a wider variety of content. A lot of people liked a strong voidform, but it also shoehorned shadow into council and long ramp fights. Moving power budget into hero talent capstones, reworking a single charge shadow crash into two charges of instant travel tentacle slam, and removing non-instant damage global like sfiend and competing procs like death speaker are all fixes for issues shadow actually had. So what is the problem?
I feel like you are mixing messages with void form as well. You think it’s useless at two minutes, but you want it to be one minute, which means it actually has to be weaker to compensate for the increased uptime. Wouldn’t you want a more impactful voidform or a call for a return to the mind spike tempo gameplay rather than a voidform that is so short it overlaps with halo and becomes just another press this button back to back rotation?
As far as the idols go, I can agree that they don’t feel impactful, or that I particularly love the shadow tree. But it’s also a hard problem to solve for and I don’t see what your suggestion for course correction is.
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I am not calling for a another rework. Going back to the roots of the spec is not a new reimagined rework of the spec. You saying “call for a return of the mind spike gameplay” is the same thing I am saying with go back to the roots. I would rather play the Shadow Orb era of shadow yes. Like I said these are my opinions I am not offering a full guide for the devs for a fix if they stated they want feedback I would gladly take the time to think more into this. Thank you for the feedback.
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I agree. I’ve been playing Spriest mainly since 2007 and its been through so many changes and I don’t know what to think of it nowadays. I don’t like it. It feels slow and just not right lol.
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Got it, it’s not clear from your OP that what you want is shadow orbs. You’re definitely not the first person I’ve seen who’s been nostalgic for orbs, but I wouldn’t really call that the “roots” of the spec given that they were only in from IIRC cata to WoD which was several expansions deep and was actually a shorter period than the length that we’ve had insanity.
It seems like if you enjoyed shadow orbs, you should be happy with the direction shadow has gone in, no? Insanity at this point has been nerfed into a simple build/spend resource instead of being a tie in to voidform, or having voidform as a core mechanic. Maybe the key thing you are looking for is other insanity spenders besides DP.
I agree with void form being useless. It should at least be instant. Also I would say the reason why most of our talents and skills feel bad is simply because they do no damage. I guarantee if the void tendrils actually did something we wouldn’t mind as much.
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Its always the same story with morons like this. One day they just show up out of nowhere and troll every single thread with negative feedback. Acting as if they know better and everyone posting “negativity” just doesn’t get it. Reasonable discussion is impossible with people like this around. Nothing but a disruptive dick with a massive ego.
The actual truth is that proper design (game or anything else) is objective. Identifying obvious problems isn’t an art, nor is pointing out what they are. And that just makes it more frustrating when those issues take forever to get fixed. (or just dont: lol fade having 5 bonuses taked onto it)
Priest in general, not just shadow, keeps getting mired in “unique and different” syndrome for some reason only Blizzard knows. The problem of course is that unique and different doesn’t mean good or useful. This is just common sense…but yet it keeps happening. Frustrating as hell, cause the class has plenty of potential to be awesome.
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Voidform should make Mind Flay apply SWP to all targets with VT.
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I think mine is broken, I never seen it proc?