Were Shadow Priests really as unwanted in Raids as everyone makes them out to be? I’m not talking about hardcore world first raiding, or Grandma’s casual Sunday raiding, but something squarely in between. Would 2 or 3 of them be accepted in an average Raid? Could a good Shadow Priest actually expect to be able to raid regularly?
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Anything over 1 is probably never gonna happen unless people are desperate for bodies. Having 1 in a middle of the road casual guild is totally viable tho. The more hardcore guilds won’t bring any though.
until 16 slot debuffs, after that almost everyone will want a single one, it takes stress of healer mana having a utility dps like shadow who can be weaving loser.
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Warm bodies with likeable personalities are generally better than optimal people in 15 year old content that are insufferable. Shadow’s not fun in raids though, you can’t SW:P or Mind Flay… just Mind Blast.
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I didn’t play in vanilla, can you really not use mind flay? Is this because of the debuff limit? What about starshards?
Both apply a debuff to the target. I think all channels do, even Arcane Missiles.
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In my experience shadow priests are highly desired by raid guilds for their ability to farm mats for flasks.
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There seems to be a lot of mis-information about why Shadow Priest werent taken. Ehile the debuff limit was certainly a factor the biggest problem was mana limitation and threat. Mind Blast Generated a ton of theat(even had a modifier for threat on it) but Spriest oom’d quite quickly in raid encounters. Their dmg was solid but way too many constraints that kept them out of endgame. They used for leveling and pvp exclusively in vanilla.
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The biggest criteria to 40 man raids is availability.
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Pretty much no hybrid dps was viable in Vanilla for Raids. Every Hybrid healed.
Idk what he is talking about, shadowpriests get 2 debuff slots, one is SW:Pain and the other is shadoweaving
Shadow Priest are viable
Don’t let meta-npcs/guilds tell you what you can and cannot do.
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Mana bars would argue with your point. Get that wand ready…
The problem with Shadow in vanilla was always mana, shadow priests were bought more for the shadow weaving debuff than for the DPS they would do.
Going 31/0/20 and picking up power infusion and shadow weaving is probably a better build for any raid trying to min/max, at least during progression. But having one full time shadow priest was pretty common in vanilla.
In a more casual atmosphere yes, but in a more elite guild swp is banned.
Viable =/= optimal.
Mind Flay is a debuff…
Warlocks love shadow priests. If you have 5 locks in raid the SP is worth the slot.
Shadow is a support. Good offhealing with Shadow Weaving. They run out of mana, and they can’t even use two of their main damage tools. There’s no reason you can’t run with one or two, but they’re much lower damage, and don’t scale as well.
Doesn’t really matter until much later raids honestly. Play what you want.
Uh huh, exactly where did I say mind flay was used? I literally said two and named the two. If you should probably work on your reading comprehension before giving advice.
They also won’t be using SW:P much either, pretty sure they can use Mind Blast to keep the debuff up once it’s up. Why would they give a debuff slot just for SW:P?