I assume that all the content, including Naxx, will be for a good chunk of guilds. I also think that lots of guilds that are actively working at clearing content will struggle with it despite that.
I def wouldn’t consider BWL a guild killer, its tougher than MC sure, but AQ40 is what started breaking guilds from my memory, the fights in AQ40 just have a lot more going on and output way more damage to the raid. Whereas i don’t really remember having to do a whole lot in BWL other thank tank and spank most bosses, nef and the cloak requirement will stop runs from completing for a bit.
The viability of keeping the one raid spot available won’t go away as raiding progresses. Yes their damage won’t be as high as the locks and mages, but it will be respectable enough to continue bringing. In the end it’s more about the player… being reliable, knowing the fights, not being a jackass.
Also, there are some really good pieces in BWL for spriests compared to MC.
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Shadow priest damage falls off when they run out of mana, with the short fights most guilds have in MC, you can use max rank abilities and the fight will be over before your oom.
The damage falls off when they go oom and just keep up debuffs with rank 1 spells.
Shadow priests have shadow focus talent giving them 10% hit chance when locks have 0 percent hit and mages 3.
When crit and especially hit gear start coming in other casters will start scaling harder than sp can.
Hardcore guilds wouldn’t even have a shadow priest at that point. They would just make a disc priest pick up weaving for lock damage buffs.
yup, there’s some pretty crazy dps shenanigans you can do to compete with other caster dps.
You should never go OOM, regardless of fight duration… As long as you put in the effort mana should rarely if ever be a problem.
When you take into account contribution damage and actual effort from the spriest, they can come very close to locks.
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1200 DPS? Are you sure about that? Even with the best gear currently in game, I do not see how any rogue could be doing 1200 DPS.
A very short fight, consumables, stacking world buffs and a good string of RNG are all it take to get some outlier parses right now.
Its not a consistent, pull these numbers on every fight thing, but ive seen rogues and especially warriors in my guild get crazy RNG and have a shelf of DPS over the rest of the raid.
do a speed run where he can’t drink
s priests problem is they go oom
I swear it’s like people forgot that they were saying no one would down MC/Ony for weeks and that it took what? Three or four days for guilds to start wrecking them?
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Alot of the playerbase didn’t join in vanilla, and old players always made it sound like vanilla raids were the hardest thing in the world, mostly to make sure new players know how super duper good you are at the game.
Vanilla raids were hard for vanilla guilds mostly due to personal problems, everyone ran DKP and everyone gamed DKP so youd have people skipping upgrades for weeks because they want their BiS wep with everyone else, classes who can decurse refusing to hit the decurse button so you wipe over and over because they want to do sick DPS and decurse does no damage, loot drama magnified by the much younger and more immature playerbase.
People ran raids in their bloodsail admiral hats because they wanted to wear a pirate hat, people wore terrible purples over amazing blues and greens because of the purple text.
We were all profoundly bad at the game back then.
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Every caster will go oom if they can’t drink. Bad example.
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…No they all have different mana efficiencies
Your mage is never gonna run outta mana in a speed run with evocate/dark runes/major manas
Neither is your lock with tap and consumes
Your s priest isn’t a healer, he can’t downrank. He will go oom
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The S priest will feel the hit way before anyone else in ur raid…Beyond ret paladins lol
Do you have this content on farm? a spriest will do very well in sub 3min fights, much like a boomkin. in BWL progression though, they are going to struggle a lot. Unless they are willing to spend uddles of Runes and Pots every fight.
Christ I can’t stand reading this crap.
Did you people raid in classic? Ever? If any of you were complaining about the dps of a shadow priest you were in a world top 50 guild.
Otherwise, the reason your group failed in progression was something else. A bunch of bad melee dps that can’t stay out of bad, bad healers, hunters with…being hunters.
More than anything it was probably a bad raid leader who was looking for a carry, and doesn’t know the first thing about conflict resolution.
It was not ever about a shadow priest and their dps. They aren’t ever supposed to top charts, that’s why they continually heal and give bonuses to other classes.
Blizzard did do bad on shadow equipment and stat distribution. But none of that will kill a raid group. There is so much bloat in classic.
Lol, man I raided as spriest in Vanilla, BC, Wrath and now classic, I certainly know more than you do. A spriest can most definitely down rank their spells to be more efficient.
Wasting runes and mana pots on trash is also just dumb.
I’m gonna do a big /doubt neth
I raided p servers I know infinitely more about this game than you, lol
Go on a sub 30 minute MC run and tell me how s priests are viable
He will do no damage because he won’t have the mana. At best he will downrank and do a fractino of what he does in a 1.5 hour run where he can drink before every pull.
How fast did the clickers in your group clear MC in vanilla? lol
What are you smoking? This game is dominated by p server players. BC and wrath lol, THERE IS ONLY ONE PATCH THAT MATTERS 1.12.
Lol pserver wannabe badass huh. If you want to do 30 minute MC runs then that’s great. Just take all warriors and priests then. Why bother with mages or locks at that point.
For the rest of the population, which is not pserver neckbeards in spite of what you think, shadow priests are more than fine.
I get that you’re just jealous to be stuck healing and need to make yourself feel better. Big willie has a little willie.
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I mean a true speed run is about stacking melee. So you’re not wrong. Mana concerns or otherwise they’re top DPS especially this early in the phases
But with or without mana melee do more damage than casters…Beyond locks lifetapping it doesn’t really put any strain on the group. Mages do fine in a real speed run
S Priest/Ret paladin are despised for the same reason. They have no mana effeciency and can’t maintain their DPS. S priests just run into that problem much later than ret palas, but much earlier than the two real DPS casters in the game. Ooomkin again similar problems.
When you’re clearing MC/BWL/ZG/AQ in a week this will become relevant lol
I’ll ask them what they’re doing, but yes 1200 on certain fights.
Low DPS for or melee is around 500.
There is a strong competition there, everyone is trying to be the best even tho it’s kinda meaningless.
I know they’re using every possible buff you can get.