Imbalance in high-end raiding has existed in every expansion, starting with Burning Crusade. But it wasn’t a big deal until it became The Popular Thing For Alliance Players Who Don’t Even Raid to Complain About on the Forums.
If Alliance players think there are too few Mythic raiders on the Alliance, nothing is stopping them from helping out by raiding Mythic.
Welcome to being the apparent minority.
Point still stands. Alliance got the Void Elves - arguably the only AR met with any real success Alliance side - and the rest are… lack luster in the public eye. Two of them weren’t that popular to begin with, one should have been more customization options for an already existing race, and the last one are big oafs whose men can pass muster as intimidating big daddies, but their females look like Karens and no one really wants to play a Karen, except that one token poster that will post on their female Kul’Tiran just to challenge this point.
Meanwhile Horde got a desert fox race, an upright brand of Troll that can go paladin, all sorts of clans of Orc… and admittedly High Mountain and Nightborne aren’t all that fantastic. Just saying, Horde made out better overall, even though some of us think having more Gnomes and Dwarves is awesome.
Blizzard could potentially turn it around with their one ace in the hole…
And how many Mythic raiders do you think faction changed from Alliance to Horde to play a fox?
Raid loggers don’t play alts. People who don’t play their alts because the expansion is alt-unfriendly or because professions are pointless are forced into a raid logging style of gameplay they find unsatisfying.
I would ask, “in BfA?” but he’s not into high keys or spamming mythic+. And PvP is something he might choose to do at the end of an expansion. I like PvP, but it sounds like even more than BfA there is no place for casuals in PvP in shadowlands.
Maybe he’ll like Torghast. I doubt I’ll be interested in min-maxing on multiple levels every time I step in in order to get really nothing out of it. The spoils will go to the elites. Casuals will get nothing worthwhile. And even elite players will get bored with it soon.
It isn’t even raid logging that’s the problem, because that’s a legitimate gameplay choice. It’s when it’s the only choice people see ahead of them.
I don’t raid. I’m not going to do mythic dungeons after the travesty we got in BfA. And I’m certainly not going to be doing PvP.
There is nothing whatever in the expansion for a casual who doesn’t want to pretend to be elite as long as they let him.
In a world where there are 2 locked communities in a single game is a Blizzard created problem. Players are going to desire to homogenize into one larger hardcore community. They did this during WoD. It was a player decision for every Hardcore guild to pay for their faction transfers to the Horde… because Blizzard made a game with 2 factions. That’s a design choice on Blizzard’s end.
Players will take the path of least resistance. Once upon a time Method was Alliance. Better racials on the Horde? Path of least resistance, they switched to the Horde.
Players will take the path of least resistance. WoD sucks and has the lowest subscriber count in all time Expansion history? The Hardcore community is suffering? Everyone joins the faction with the better racials.
Players will take the path of least resistance. New players coming to join the game, and now is faced with 2 communities to pick from? Joining the Horde will be easier on LFG and finding guilds if I want to commit to Heroic/Mythic raiding?
This is a popular meme on General Discussion that has no actual real world support or relevance.
Let me point out a few of your inaccuracies:
Well said i wouldn’t be shocked if warforge makes a return atleast in some patch.
Right your friend was pushed to just raidlog because the other aspects of the game were lacking. Legion teetered on being alt unfriendly and they made some changes much later that changed that. BFA doubled down on the alt unfriendliness and that made raid loggers. So I agree with you there.
But at the same time it’s odd to say that you’re going to be doing nothing but also want content for you. I mean that already exists but it’s not really engaging content imo. That being World Quests, World Bosses, Pet Battling ect. ect.
That sounds like a lot of opinions. The only race I envy Horde for is Zandalari. I think we made out better in the long run.
I feel most people would feel the same if not for Vulpera even though I don’t like them.
A lot of raiders would really like to raid log. Mythic raiding takes a lot of time and brainpower and can be very draining.
Many Mythic raiders don’t want to have to log on for additional hours on end to level their artifact weapons or necks, or have to do M+ to stay current with gear, or farm sockets, or level up essences, or all the other things that Blizzard adds to the game.
Unfortunately, starting with Nighthold, Blizzard tunes the raids on the assumption that everyone DOES do all of this things, which makes the raids massively overtuned if you do not.
Raider burnout has been a huge problem in Legion, but especially so in Battle for Azeroth, because Blizzard keeps doubling and tripling down on the time requirements that are needed in order to raid effectively.
And it’s that decimation of the raiding community that has hit both factions hard, but Alliance even moreso.
Blizzard needs to stop breaking the backs of the raiding community by expecting raiders to carry the load on their time played metrics, to show “how popular” all their new systems are.
I agree to all of this.
He had a lot to do in Legion. He got all 12 class mounts, all professions maxed out, every legendary for every class. He did not find Legion to be alt-unfriendly. I think most people who did got that impression in the first few months and didn’t stick around throughout the expansion.
I fully expect there will be next to nothing for a casual to do that is worth doing. World quests but no emissaries? Surely you jest.
No source of gear? Where is casuals’ gear coming from? Oh, that’s right. They’ll have to stop being casuals and take up raiding if they want gear.
Pet battling is for people who are into pet battling, not “casual content” you think should be enough for all casuals.
I’m not going to be doing “nothing”. If there’s nothing to do I won’t buy the expansion.
Ion can’t think out of his box. He’s a raid logger trying to find ways to make other raid loggers play more and longer to beef up the metrics. He has no idea how the rest play or want to play, and doesn’t really care.
And that’s what I mean when I said they made changes. It would ROUGH at the start. But over time they changed it and adapted to the players requests. BFA did none of those things and made it a slogfest.
So my question is where’s this idea that doing raiding isn’t casual. Personally I see LFR - Normal and even at times Heroic to be pretty casual friendly. You can hit up the Group Finder at any time and pug the entire thing. As for PvP all they need to do is reintroduce the WoD scaling system and players would be all over BGs and maybe even warmode. And for M+ there’s plenty of gear to be taken up on in mid level keys that easily scale up to Heroic ilvl.
You don’t need to be “Elite” in order to get gear in WoW.
To be fair, they don’t seem to understand what raiders want, either.
I can only go by what I see on Moonguard.
I don’t think anyone is surprised that rpers on Moonguard are sad they did not get the fox race.
What happens on Moon Guard has very little to do with Mythic raiding, though. There are only 2 guilds more than halfway through Nyarlotha, and the server is very Alliance-dominated so the “Alliance needs help” narrative doesn’t even come into play for that server.
Calling it now either they add a way to forge your gear or forges come back in a patch if people stop playing i said it here.
The faction imbalance wasn’t THAT bad until WoD when countless Hardcore guild transferred over to the Alliance. This is evident by the reality that a lot of guilds transferred over. No one denied that the Horde was more dominant, but it wasn’t as skewed as it is now. No one can deny that much and that’s the whole point of the faction imbalance. It’s NOT that big of a deal. Even in BFA it is what it is. The faction imbalance exists. It just depend if it’s that big of a deal for anyone else. “You seem like you really care though don’t you?” I like to make big posts on the forums about every topic. It doesn’t mean it’s on the top of my list.
WoD wasn’t the only turning point for racials. During Cata and Mop it was a different story. Method rolling Horde was a good example.
I know this but that’s not the point. The point is that we know people roll Horde from Alliance and it’s very rare to see anyone go from Alliance to Horde. The top end of rated Arena is a small niche compared to the Hardcore PVE playerbase. Switching for racials even makes sense in BFA because of the great Allied Race racials put into the game on the Alliance. Mechagnomes have a pretty great pvp racial honestly.
I agree. Faction imbalance exists and really isn’t a priority in my opinion. It still is a Blizzard created problem at the end of the day because they created the factions and the players adapt. The only concern people have is the imbalance getting worse. The Alliance players pay for the game as it is. I have a suggestion for the shareholders in Blizzard. Give the Alliance something really Juicy that even Method can’t resist. All of the faction transfers and server transfers will bring in more money. $$$ The Alliance playerbase that’s left are already the stubborn people left. The money pit is gone. The thousands and thousands of hardcore players that had a full on organized Exodus to the Horde already paid their dues. There money pit for Alliance to Horde transfers is drying up. 
No doubt. BFA has the second lowest numbers and is admitted as such by Blizzard with Ion confirming it in a Forbes interview in early 2019. The only time for Blizzard to fix the faction imbalance is if the Alliance raiding scene is completely dried up. Then real solutions should come forward. “Why even make your post if you don’t care about the faction imbalance.” To be captain obvious I guess. I’m here for the dicussion. There IS a faction imbalance. I’m just pointing it out and explaining that players take the path of least resistance.
I honestly don’t think the majority of players give a crap about “the best gear”.