Why does a spec famous for its 1min burst cadence have a 3min CD? Dance is the only damage cooldown that Subtlety needs.
Additionally the spec fantasy of this button is absolutely abhorrent. I want to play a Subtlety Rogue that is sneaky, ruthless, cunning, and mean. A Subtlety Rogue that goes for your kidneys or your eyes. Please tone down the purple.
Its all this magical theme stuff that is out of place, they started this in on us years back slowly adding it in over time, and really diverging from the original designs in legion, this is when I mostly put my rogue down because it was no longer a rogue any more. I tolerated wod even when it felt like to me that I was playing a wind walker due to the combo point change and all the other monk and anime theme they forced on us. Death from above, looks cool, has some great uses but it was so gimmick that I hated it for that reason alone. It was missing one of the core components of the rogue, and that core component that I am on about is precision, and lighting fast strikes. Death from above was so slow that I would just step the opposing rogue or gouge him or blind him on a the apex of the DFA. Nothing about DFA ever felt good to me, and worse it annoyed me because it nerfed our class core kit, that added mobility on such a strong hard hitting ability was a death sentence for the rest of our kit.
Sorry about the long rant, just want my class back and while I am loving classic wow, and looking forward to TBC for arena I would really love to enjoy Shadow lands, the expansion looks promising and that’s something thats got me excited but I cant enjoy shadow lands on the notarogue class thing that they have slated for us.
Ravenholdt rogues were the class fantasy for rogues for about 7 years.
Now?
Missing from the game.
I don’t see why Blizz doesn’t go, “Well, we want to have a ninja and you guys still want to play a rogue so here’s a 4th sepc.”
Thing that bugs me about that is that there are “ninja” themed characters out there that don’t use magic. They can fulfill that fantasy without it.
They can even give us both sides if they wanted. Change Gloomblade to “Shadow Mastery” or something and replaced our physicals with the shadow magic abilities. Though, I guess the other two talents would need to be pretty beefy to compete.
Or they can just give us out old class back and that would actually be adding to the game because the thing people call a rogue in bfa is just a shadow theme wind walker or a feral druid. No actual variety in class designs in bfa, maybe I am being somewhat bitter and oversimplifying the situation…
Exactly. All of this purple doesn’t reflect what Rogues, including Subtlety Rogues, have been about from the beginning.
They completely ruined my character. This isn’t my Rogue.
The purple class fantasy needs to be opt-in only, if it must exist at all.
You know it’s sad when your classic wow replica is more your rogue than your original.
I love the shadow magic theme.
Rogues always used mysticism and its only ever evolved.
That isn’t true.
Other than CloS and shadow step that isn’t true at all. Vanish used to require vanish powder. You had to gather mats to make poisons. Dismantle, smoke bomb, etc were core tools that did not have mysticism tied to anything.
Shadowblades comes along but Bliz gives up on the idea quickly. And then goes back to the shadow theme for sub in legion which was a failure.
How do you determine failure? Its in the lore rogues use mysticism for cloaking and more now.
All this seems to be is a case of origin loyality to people who do not like change.
It isnt some horrible thing, you should learn to embrace it, I for one am glad they are expanding on it themes and giving it more of an identity.
Shoe for rogue class dev.
I suspect he got black listed again, poor guy, all he wants to do is get out class back and I’ll betcha someone here got all offended over that passion and then looked for any way possible to silence him.
Also welcome back Varick, looks like everyone came round to see what Blizzard is doing.
Honestly I’m fine with a Sub that uses shadow magic. However, as a DPS CD, Shadow Blades really is subpar. One, the CPs that Sub passively generates always goes to waste during Shadow Blades window, and two, Shadow Blades is just flat out less damage than Vendetta and Adrenaline Rush. It’s pretty underwhelming for a 3 minute cooldown, and if we budgeted that power to SD/Symbols, Sub would probably be doing a lot better.
Remember when shadow blades was a base rogue ability not a sub only one?
Remember when the power adder for sub was dance, and the power adders for mutilate and combat were AR and Vendetta, and the world made sense?
Me too.
I WANT MY CLASS BACK BLIZZARD!
They’ll likely tone it down once they’ve add Dark Rangers.
Likely all the abilities such as Symbol of Death, Shadow Dance, Stealth’s bonus speed, gloomblade, Ghostly Strike, Shadowstrike, as well Shadowblades would likely be gutted from Subtlety and moved to Dark Rangers.
More importantly Subtlety Rogues had a lot of Lore established in Legion. Not just Subtlety Rogues but all Rogues shares a Relationship with Death itself. Not Necromancy but True Death. (An unseen force of nature, something one cannot prevent or avoid by spamming pyroblasts in their face.)
I doubt they’ll take all that away. Shadow Dance and really any Stealth related buffs definitely wont leave. Rogues will always be the masters of Stealth.
But, I can totally see them taking the shadow magic damage stuff away and adding Dark Rangers with a melee spec that’s basically a Rogue with shadow magic.