I love This class in theory and while I’m fully aware I’m not going to be number 1 dps. I would like to get to a point where I’m decent. I’m lost on rotation at this point any help would be appreciated.
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With a lot of changes to the talent tree, what are you trying to accomplish? are you doing more single target stuff or AoE? Thankfully you will be able to switch talents back and forth in most content so its just figuring out what you wanna do.
I know im trying to work out single target dps, hard to figure out, at 280 ilevel and got out dps by a blood dk with a green weapon in lfr
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I’m just pressing buttons at this point because I have no idea what the rotation is I read A guide it was confusing.
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For good AoE burst i find taking Psychic link is best. i did some 16-18’s last night as shadow and this happened to work out great…
*open with Shadow crash, into power infusion then cast dark ascension into shadow fiend (assuming you have the Shadowfiend/mindbender leggo effect) , use your DP on a target and start casting Mind flay: insanity, then use mind blast or Mind spike to benefit from them doing splash damage, continue to dot DP on targets into Mind Flay: insanity for more damage, then continue…i was doing pretty good damage on almost every pull. But i also have good stats and Ilvl value so this is subject to each player who may have different stats
For single target, its pretty much the same playstyle, except there is more focus on maintaining DP on the target and casting Mind Flay: Insanity as often as possible for the damage boost. Obviously using Mind blast and Mind Spike procs, but more focus on Mind flay:Insanity/DP
Psychic Link is tuned so low that there’s no reason to take it over any of the other options available to you. It’s not needed to get to tier 3 and lots of the tier 3 talents are far, far more valuable than Psychic Link in cleave, AoE, and all have value in single target, too.
Even Maddening Touch, as terrible as it is, is better because it allows you to access Inescapable Torment.
I do see a lot of people now making the case for Mind Sear, i just cant find most people that justify taking it…not many youtubers, reddit posts, even guides on wow head and icey-veins, a lot of those dont take Mind Sear. But i am more than willing to see what it can do, i may play around with it tonight and try to see what most other people are seeing. Thanks for the heads up on that!
I am pretty sure the wowhead guide suggests to play mind sear and all the talents that improve or synergise with it whenever you’re in mythic+ or aoe situations.
It also doesn’t have psychic link taken on any builds. The talent is horrendous.
Please stop giving incorrect info.
You only take DA in ST. for aoe voidform is better
The only builds that don’t take mind sear are single target builds. The mplus build’s definitely take it.
You should probably join the warcraft priests discord
I was not giving incorrect info, Thankfully due to the talent tree changes, choices of the talents were given to see what you like, and what you don’t like. Just cus i found success outside of what talents you were using doesn’t mean it is “incorrect info”. It was simply a suggestion, which i even mentioned in the post that is was what “I” found best that works for me. Was i wrong about it being a better option than Mind sear or other talents? maybe the damage wasn’t as good, but it wasn’t necessarily incorrect. However thanks to your suggestion as well, Mind sear especially with Mind devourer does help. Plus i like my dark angel wings with DA 
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Your experience doesn’t trump actual sims. There will always be a cookie cutter build for each situation.
If you’re having better damage from DA it’s because you aren’t playing shadow properly. My guess is because you’re putting DP on targets in aoe which is why you don’t have any insanity for mind sear.
Yes 100%.
If something is doing worse damage than another option then yes it is incorrect information.
By all means play what you prefer but if people are looking for help “what works for you” isn’t the correct answer. People asking for help aren’t looking for an off the wall build. They are looking to use the proper talents.
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Honestly this might be the worst state of shadow in forever. Been playing priests since BC and for once I have no idea wtf i’m doing anymore.
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Hit me up when yall figure out the rotations, I’m out here struggling on my SP.
PvErs seem mindless.
Rotations the same just pop mind spike or mind blast when it glows. 