I’m so worried right now, it seems only a few people in alpha actually play the class and putting good feed back in trying to fix it…
Majority I see from you tubers are like just trying out warlock yeah they are great…
While 100s of comments on their video are actually telling them off for not knowing the class or what needs fixing. They go in blind.
I’m worried that the majority of testers are just these Youtubers making a video and have no clue about anything…
Yeah it’s telling warlock thread has only like 6 warlock mains commenting and the other classes so far has dozens of other classes
Not to mention most of the “feedback” on the warlock thread is arguments over whether hunters or warlocks have it worse with the 6 sec pet summons.
thats what you get when you invite streamers to test the game instead of the people that play the class.
Yes and no… you gotta remember that the general public are horrible at this game at basically everything.
People are submitting feedback… its alpha… if stuff goes to hell it’ll get changed… I wouldn’t stress so much or get worried… about alpha.
Most streamers do actually test the game tho… most people treat alpha as early access to the game. Every streamer I’ve seen actually report bugs and give feedback and whatnot. That’s why they’re chosen. And I also know them to not be the only ones, plenty of people who don’t stream are in alpha as well.
On the Alpha class threads:;
DK Thread has 21 users responding, 21k views, 54 replies, 877 likes.
DH thread has 12 users, 14k views, 17 replies, and 375 likes.
Druids have 33 users, 36k views, 89 replies, 1700 likes.
Hunters have 25 users, 16.9k views, 71 replies, 995 likes.
Mages have 24 users, 13.4k views, 33 replies, 473 likes.
Monks have 13 users, 14.5k views, 55 replies, 497 likes.
Paladins have 13 users, 15.6k views, 36 replies, 667 likes.
Priests have 20 users, 19.2k views, 23 replies, 1300 likes.
Rogues have 15 users, 11.4k views, 26 replies, 333 likes.
Shamans have 30 users, 20.9k views, 76 replies, 772 likes.
Warlocks have 26 users, 18.7 k views, 60 replies, 999 likes.
Warriors have 19 users, 13.8k views, 28 replies, 290 likes.
I interpret the varying numbers as follows:
Higher number of particular, separate users responding = a significant percentage of the playerbase that mains that class having problems with it. Back before WoW changed it’s code mechanisms and we had RealmPop, we could see approximately iirc 15% of all 120s in the world were Paladins, which is a much larger share of the endgame playerbase than for any other class, yet they have only 13 users.
Higher number of views = more people are concerned with that class.
More replies = more Alpha testers are concerned with that class.
More likes = more people are concerned with that class.
As it stands, Warlocks are: 3rd of 12 in Most Users Responding, 5th of 12 in Most Views (amplified by the fact that with RealmPop preBFA Warlocks were at 3rd least played class), 4th of 12 in replies (and the only thread I see with non-mains coming into our thread insisting we are fine), and 3rd of 12 in number of likes for the feedback given.
In particular, we could determine a Views Per Reply Value to see how many likes are distributed by particular users viewing, given views and lieks both takes into account non-alpha-access, whereas Users and Replies only takes into accoutn alpha access, which we can take into a separate value.
Doing so gives us values that demonstrates that the Warlock Alpha Thread has the 3rd most non-alpha-access interaction value and we are the 7th class, i.e. 6th from bottom, of “replies per alpha tester”, and that without controlling the back and forth that random rogue and random hunter, which would make us even lower (a total of ten replies)
We thus have more Non-Alpha Testers/People Playing WoW watching and worried about the class than most of the other classes, and we also are in the bottom half of least amount of Feedback Per Alpha Tester.
So no. Reporting bugs in-game is not the same as giving serious typed out thought out feedback. We are concerned and validly so.
Numbers:
| Class | Users | Views | Replies | Likes | Nonalpha | Alpha |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DK | 21 | 21000 | 54 | 877 | 23.94526796 | 2.571428571 |
| DH | 12 | 14000 | 17 | 375 | 37.33333333 | 1.416666667 |
| Druid | 33 | 36000 | 89 | 1700 | 21.17647059 | 2.696969697 |
| Hunter | 25 | 16900 | 71 | 995 | 16.98492462 | 2.84 |
| mages | 24 | 13400 | 33 | 473 | 28.32980973 | 1.375 |
| Monks | 13 | 14500 | 55 | 497 | 29.1750503 | 4.230769231 |
| Paladins | 13 | 15600 | 36 | 667 | 23.38830585 | 2.769230769 |
| Priest | 20 | 19200 | 23 | 1300 | 14.76923077 | 1.15 |
| Rogues | 15 | 11400 | 26 | 333 | 34.23423423 | 1.733333333 |
| Shaman | 30 | 20900 | 76 | 772 | 27.07253886 | 2.533333333 |
| Warlock | 26 | 18700 | 60 | 999 | 18.71871872 | 2.307692308 |
| Warrior | 19 | 13800 | 28 | 290 | 47.5862069 | 1.473684211 |
My point is that disregarding streamers just for the sake of doing so is stupid. Majority of the player base that want alpha do NOT want it for the right reasons. They want people they feel will reliably test their game.
I never said we didn’t have valid reasons to be concerned. Yes I would love more warlock mains to give feedback in alpha. But blaming it on streamers getting access is dumb. There are plenty of streamers btw who don’t main warlock that agree it is in a bad place so… idk what people are talking about.
I think the point is a priority was given to content creators for Alpha Access for symbiotic hype PR reasons when the majority of content creators, like the majority of players, in both PVE and PVP, are Not Warlock Mains.
Streamers technically have a significantly louder voice, depending on the streamer, than your typical wow player. So it makes sense they would get priority as well. They are significantly more likely to be heard than anyone here would be. I’m just saying I understand why they get priority, and it’s not just for marketing reasons like people like to claim. I’m not saying marketing doesn’t play a part of it, but it doesn’t play the only part.
The numbers are nice but most of all that’s how your interpreting it and not necessarily if it’s correct.
I also want to point out that again the general population and a large portion of the Warlock population constantly points out stupid suggestions all the time because they feel it would be more “warlocky”
People are submitting feedback… its alpha
My statement stands lmao many folks have never touched a warlock in their lives
aight then propose alternate interpretations of the values, open to critique, but give it
I don’t think we’ve had a lot of “stupid suggestions” this time around. All the main/most frequent suggestions are extremely reasonable. Could you name a frequently given suggestion that’s stupid?
Exactly, we should be making the most noise given the chance of meaningful overhaul come Beta is minimal.
Look man, I’m on your side. I want what you want. I want warlocks, hell, CLASSES to get the attention they deserve. My only argument here was that blaming our problems on streamers having access is stupid. They aren’t even the only ones who have access like people here like to claim.
Anyway, yeah. I’m tired of classes taking a back seat once again in priority. Especially warlocks. They clearly don’t know what they want to do with them even tho we tell them. We don’t have enough representation sadly.
You also have to account for multiple changes general complaints and multi role clases… ie druid with heal/hybrid/dps/tank.
Are you kidding me?? Look at our forums daily and people constantly suggest new aweful spells… or they want cosmetic options that make no sense or post gigantic nonsense that is magnified through the lense of just being bad.
We did… I looked… people disagree with changes… and have posted that… They can see we are not happy with a lot of the changes but again… its alpha… and its a game.
People are saying how they feel… the whole “Streamer” argument is redic people need to submit what they feel and we can move forward as a class etc.
I personally have only counted three threads where someone decided to invent an entirely new spec iteration out of thin air, that were mostly ignored.
There’s one thread about more blood spell aesthetics. One.
Again, my question was what is a frequent/consistent feedback given that is materially dumb? So far majority of the feedback across Warlockdom has been centered on:
That’s really the root of much of the feedback, with some nuanced debate within. I don’t think it’s fair to say the “general population and a large portion of Warlocks constantly point out stupid suggestions”. People are making a surprising effort to be thougthful, from where I’m standing, across all the social media discussion spaces.
Okay sure, we can divde each value by a fractional value corresponding to the role diversity within each class, and… we’d still get the same value spread for the most part, as warlocks are a pure DPS class lol
I know you were around for when we spent years talking about Green Fire and making noise for it until Xelnath from the bottom of his heart decided to take time to do so with a Blizz greenlight. Speaking out more creates more results. Just having few people state reasonable feedback doesn’t lead to change.
I was… It was not life changing… Ide rather be strong mechanically then have rainbow flames and a unicorn summon.
I said it before Ill say it again… its alpha… people are reporting issues.
Gigantic changes on average happen right before release and you should know this by now.
Wait till Beta… with more access and see what happens.
I am also worried that all the feedback from people who don’t know what they’re talking about is going to ruin the class. I’m just hoping they’ll listen more closely to high end players than the regular joe warlocks who have a million ideas but none of them would actually work.
But until I can actually get into the testing and try things myself, I’m not stressing.
BINGO… This man… right… here
I agree, I’m actually hoping I can get it, I’ve been warlock main since vanilla I’ve got CEs working now on Nylotha.
I know it’s still early days, just worries me cause we been bamboolzed before with the “it’s just alpha it’s just beta” before…
I love the class, through and through, stuck with it through the good and bad, but that’s why I’m gearing my shaman… I don’t know if I can go through another expansion like this…
It’s fine to be worried about class design but i don’t really like throwing content creators under the bus, they add value to the alpha by simply bringing eyes to it. Also outside of the victim olympics that was the alpha warlock forums i haven’t really seen a content creator do a particularly bad take on the state of warlocks yet. I haven’t searched that hard so feel free to point me in the right direction if i’m wrong.