i got hit for almost 12 million in half a second
Yeah, thatās cool but youāre acting like Warriors canāt do this with MS/Execute.
Also if it was that easy to just hit 12 million in half a second the representation would be showing more MMās which isnāt the case. Warriors are the highest of the representationā¦ I wonder why that is xD
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12 million in half a second through plate btw
we canāt
Iām playing WW monk. Yeah, frost mages are definitely slippery and can be annoying, but I feel like he is actually juking me out sort of and is out playing me. He preemptively uses abilities and plans to kite and burst. The other huge issue is out of the 100 games I played yesterday, I consistently see hunters performing well. Every single one of them. Every other class I see huge disparities in skill. Some frost mages CAN NOT kite at all and get absolutely one shotted. Every hunter has feign death on his bar. Every hunter has deterrence and disengage. Thereās also just very little strategy or skill in kiting on a hunter. Mage actually has to try to confuse you and make you try to figure out where heās at to effectively kite. And my fists of fury hitting that hard? Yeah, all you have to do is disengage. stun me. not to mention the fact that to actually make my fists of fury hit that hard, I need to use xuen, rising sun kick, storm earth fire spirit, rising kick again, wind strike attack thing, tiger palm, then fists of fury, its something like that. Hunters are literally hitting camo at start, waiting till a melee goes into the open and for their team mate to open and stun, and then pressing rapid fire into aimed shot and doing 10 million damage. Seriously? and when I try to do the same thing on him? by the time i can actually line up my burst, heās used concussive shot and disengaged. so what? I go in and disable him, I still can not for the life of me do anything. they can just run away forever. A frost mage has me permanently slowed but let me tell you I can actually run up on them, hit them with disable, burst them down, then swap the healer. the hunter? Burst him down, deterrence. burst him down again, feign death, disengage, concussive shot. burst him again? shadowmeld feign death again disengage again. burst him again? mark of the cheetah concussive shot. seriously? oh so I target his healer? there is no way any healer is healing through a marksman hunter spamming me. I mean look I have played against good rogues that poop on me. good game. I have played against rogues that get instantly one shotted and do no damage or that survive and do no damage. Iāve played mages that use ice block and try to kite and still canāt do damage or get away from melee. every single hunter is doing 20m+ from aimed shot and rapid fire. every single one of them. apparently everybody who plays hunter is really really good at the game and only half the players who play mage know what theyāre doing
edit: you say MM is underrepresented they are in just about every other game. And really? stun rapid fire? its literally a channeled ability. it does damage the second you start casting it. disarm aimed shot? that lasts 5 seconds on a 40 second cooldown? I dont care how good your cc is there is no way you are stopping a MM hunter from using rapid fire aimed shot. and thereās no way youāre gonna stop them from using it 5 more times either. youāre kidding yourself if you say WW can shut down MM lol. and stun him? dude I canāt even get within range to use leg sweep, Iām rooted, then slowed, and when I roll to him, he disengages? If I kite to pillar? mark of cheetah and concussive shot while he chases me around the pillar melting my health down while Iām actually just line of sighting my own healer and not the hunter.
and no warriors canāt do that, yeah, they hurt, but they canāt use execute until youāre already low health, and overpower or mortal strike is not hitting anywhere near 6 million.
and warriors are the highest representation because of amsongold and actually pro level warriors like bajheera or swifty. Most warriors are not nearly as good as them and are pretty easily taken care of. I mean every other class feels like there is some counter player or they at least die but (from a WW monk perspective) hunters are untouchable, even a bad one
This sound like this is just perspective. All those abilities you cite mage for having, are the exact same abilities a hunter is using; no more, no less. You saying that āevery hunterā has feign on their bar, itās the same thing as every mage having fade.
What mage do you know doesnāt have big barrier, or block? There is a paralell between the two for nearly every button. If a hunter gets away from you during your burst, itās because they actually know how to play.
The same way you can easily be porting while an aimed shot gets loaded up in your face during major cds, the same way you can roll in leg sweep, into disarm to get all your damage out.
My buddy who mains WW has an inverse experience to what youāre saying, he despises those frost mages as itās impossible to connect.
its your perspective too and youāre a hunter. ok. my top damage ability usually accounts for a maximum of 15% of my overall damage. usually more like 10%. I consistently am seeing hunters do over 50% of their damage with rapid fire and aimed shot alone. thats an issue. especially when I saw a hunter do 80 million versus his own partners 34 million and versus my parters 12 million in a matter of 1 minute. 60% of that damage was two abilities. and reached 8 million dps in an arena. You want to tell me that 8 million DPS in an arena is not broken? and doing 3x more than the next highest dps out of 4 dps players? and 60% of thatā¦ is 2 abilities? doing 3x more damage than anyone else? use some logic there. thats broken.
disengage, feign death all that WHATEVER that isnt even the point. having 2 abilities do more damage than everybody else combined is the point
also whatās with low mmr and citing rep
esp in context of hunter which regardless of strength is always low rep outside of bm 2s and mm bgs
I mean yes, and no. The numbers on the ladder tell a different story. Thereās 20% more frost mages than there is MMs above 2400. Same thing with WW.
Honestly a little wild itās that close because Frost is the best spec in the game and Hunter is always unpopular.
You stun Rapid fire because if you donāt itās a stacking buff that gives us 15% damage. The faster you stun it = less stacks.
You then disarm afterwards to stop aimed shot and also to allow for the buff to slowly drop. If you werenāt able to stop it then thatās where you can LOS or trade defensives accordingly but MM relies on peels and most give up on the spec because itās usually always the train target. Thatās why BM, is much more popular and just as strong.
As for Warrior, Iād argue again the burst is up there only difference is thereās literally no set-up to the damage, MS + 50% MS and a good Warrior accompanied by a good healer, is almost damn near unpeelable. A lot of you guys are cringe tbh. MM has itās good match-ups but youāre acting like other classes canāt do the same. I was in a lobby where a F DK did 30mill damage in 3 seconds. Another lobby an Ele was deleting people in a second but thatās what happens when you line your burst correctly.
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Isnāt hunter one of the most popular classes in the game (generally speaking)?
what even is this iām readin
not in pvp no lol
been hearin the rep song and dance since cata
youāre talking about 2400+ rating. lets talk about average rating from between 1400-2100. hunters are stupid broken and should literally be removed from the game lmao. the level of skill they require is not in line with their output and power. sure maybe at 2.5k rating they arenāt meta. but any hunter with half a brain can get in and one shot people at low rating, with much less skill than any other class. and try to defend your āskillā all you want but I donāt see how doing 50 million damage with 2 abilities takes a lot of skill.
I mean we can literally validate that right now; I see here that hunter is only surpassed by druid, priest, and paladin for total volume of games played in the last 7 days. Nearly 9k less games played by mages, yet having a larger representation above 2400
https ://seramate.com/us/activity?type=shuffle&timeframe=7d&page=1&perPage=50
youāre still talking about top 1% of players. hunters are not balanced for the average pvper. anybody playing MM rn will do way better than any other class automatically, i promise you thats a fact. youāre comparing top ratings. compare the average rating of hunters compared to the average rating of mage or rogue. I almost guarantee hunters on average are higher rated because they dont take skill to one shot people with 2 buttons
Isnāt that the point I literally made in my first response? The fact MM is ābrokenā is due to people not knowing the in-outs of the spec and not knowing how to shut it down?
yes, but you dont even have to do any of that against other classes because they dont do 10 million damage in .5 seconds. why should I have to have tremendously better gameplay and strategy than a hunter to win? my point is that in order to win I would have to display TREMENDOUSLY MORE SKILL AND STRATEGY while a hunter can sit there and press buttons and will probably win. sure, maybe I can win. but a hunter is going to win by doing much much less. thats the issue
can we get another 20% nerf on execute just had one crit for almost three million which is almost half an aimed shot (70 yard range)
Well of course, thereās different skill curves to classes. Feral, rogue for instance are very challenging classes to learn. Thereās a reason thereās as many warriors, rets, DHs, WWs as there is. BM falls into that category too, but MM is somewhere in the middle.
Most new MM hunters end up putting out very little damage while under pressure.
except most MM hunters are playing with a healer