So. I have made several tickets about this issue, but was recently directed by the GM who answered the last one to make a post on the forums about it, in the hopes that ‘enough notice would be generated, that something could be done about it’.
The raids by Horde players on Stormwind on my server are absolutely out of control. We’re not talking 1 raid of 20ish people. We’re talking massive, 50+ man raids that always end up dog piling into the Mage Tower, which lags out the server. You can’t mount much of a defense to that; it’s always sourced to a couple level 1 anchor toons somewhere, who invite multiple raids. Recently, the problem children have ALL been people trying to gain notoriety by streaming their clusteryouknowwhats on Twitch.
I get it. I PvP, I love world PvP.
But Wyrmrest Accord is an RP server. RP. As in, ROLE PLAYING. As in, we have some decent PvPers, but literally, most of the people on that server (I said most, not all), do not do hardcore PvP. Even some of the ones that do, there aren’t enough of them to even mount a hardcore defense. We had some scrub Streamer show up with a 15ish man group the other day, and he was unfortunate enough to log in and show up when some of the people who do PvP were online, and proceeded to get wiped three different times (and then another 2 times when I logged because work) by people who are literally sick of this mess. He also caught us outside of the Tower (where he initially was, when the defense was initially in the process of being mounted), which meant less lag.
Long story short - it’s getting to the point where it’s not even fun anymore. At the highest point, this has happened every. Single. Night. for over 7 nights in a row. Some level ones get rolled, somewhere outside the zone entirely, and manage to anchor entire raids of 30-80 people. That’s right. EIGHTY PEOPLE.
ALL CRAMMED INTO THE MAGE TOWER.
Guys, it’s not even fun. My comp was built specifically to run this game. I’m on Cable internet. I don’t get lag, I don’t have 10,000 addons to bog my system down, and there was literally nothing you could do. I loaded into the Mage Tower from Boralus, and instantly went from my average 60 FPS, down to 1. One. There were so many names in the tower, both Alliance and Horde, that you couldn’t move. It took me 20 minutes just to get from the load in to halfway to the portal, and by that point I gave up and logged into another character who wasn’t in Stormwind.
Problem was, there was still lag. These people lagged out the entire server.
How is this fun? How is this engaging gameplay? How is this World PvP, when you can’t literally do ANYTHING? On either side?
I’m tired of massive raids piling into my RP server and bogging everything down. It’s not like we’ve tried to just ignore it - raids get formed, defenses are mounted, and most of the time they either get bored from dying all the time or for some other reason, and they log, or they leave. But the ENTIRE TIME, the server is lagged out so bad you can hardly do anything. Using any portals in the Mage Tower is useless. Even as far away as Silithus, spells take 5+ seconds to cast. Moving is a pain in the neck.
This needs to stop. There needs to be repercussions for people who are purposefully forming raids in order to pile into the Mage Tower and lag out a server. I’m not sure how this hasn’t been handled yet already - a relatively famous YouTuber/Streamer was banned for this kind of mess before. Multiples. But when multiple complaints are filled out by numerous people asking for help, we get stuff like “well just turn off Warmode while you’re in Stormwind” (WM was off for at least 4 of those situations, didn’t help). “PvP Issues = PvP Solutions”. Also doesn’t help. Can’t do World PvP if you’re getting 1 FPS and nothing is moving. I can’t even imagine what it was like for people with older computers than mine.
There needs to be something put into place, that keeps these massive raids from basically shutting down entire servers.
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Maybe Guards that are 20+ levels higher than current cap, placed in regions where this is an issue (mainly, Trade District and Mage Tower on my server - I’m against putting them in mainstay access places for killing Anduin, as Anduin is part of the PvP achievement for the Bear and that’s not fair to the other side). Make them massively surge in and nuke people trying to do this.
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Put SW on the same phasing/sharding server as Boralus and anywhere else. That way people who are not interested in World PvP do not have to deal with this; in order to keep people from abusing the /pvp flag, make it force people who use /pvp to the Warmode servers. I’m not sure why this got left in the game to begin with - there should be no difference between opting into World PvP via Warmode, or /pvp.
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Persons who are level 1-20 (and appropriate adjustments for Allied Races/DKs/DHs) should not be allowed to be a Raid Leader/the lowbies should not be able to establish a Raid. There’s no reason, if they’re being carried through something or grouping with like-minded people for something, that another person could not hold the Raid Leader position, and thus, keeps them from being able to jump 40 people at a time to a server they aren’t part of. All of the raids on WrA have come from other servers - Notably, Illidan, Tichondrius, Emerald Dream, and Kel’thuzad. Only one of those is an RP server. The rest are former PvP or PvE servers. RP servers have specific TOS codes of conduct; breaking other people’s immersion by doing what these raids are doing, are literally TOS violations for the server. The people assisting this whole fiasco need to be held responsible for that.
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Likewise, people you are in a raid with, should be in the same area you are located in. You should stay on your own server, until you reach that person’s location. The fact these Horde lowbies are in starter areas or NR Dalaran, and yet the entire raid is in SW in Warmode, is ridiculous.
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No Horde, at any time, should be able to run and hide in the Stockades. Likewise, no Alliance, at any time, should be able to run and hide in Ragefire Chasm. Stocks is being repeatedly used as a get-away, and Horde bob in and out of the instance as needed to evade having to stand toe-to-toe. I know Horde have the same issue with Alliance. If you come in the city to PvP, you shouldn’t have a get out of combat free card meant for lower-level players. If you came to PvP, then PvP. Don’t run away.
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High-activity like this should trigger some sort of alert for a GM, to notify them this is going on. I was told in another ticket that ‘we are monitoring the situation and will handle it accordingly’, which was false. The entire server was lagging so badly lots of people went to play on other servers. That’s how bad this has gotten.
I’m not against World PvP in the slightest. I like PvP as much as the next person. I’m an achievement person, I like the shiny stuff, but at some point it’s not even fun any longer - it’s people being trolls just to be trolls, and at that point, it needs to be shut down. it’s not even a matter of ‘well we’ll handle it when it gets too much’. It’s at that point now. A 40+ (at LEAST - it’s usually more) man raid in my city’s main hub’s Mage Tower every night, during peak time/close to end-peak time, most of whom don’t make any attempt to kill Anduin and they’re there for over 4 hours, is not fun. That’s not PvP. That’s being a pain in the neck. Alliance on my server has never done this, they might go into Org with five or ten people to goof off, but it’s never piled into their portal room. It’s never somewhere that lags down an entire server.
Please fix this. It’s not fair to people who do not wish to have anything to do with PvP, to be forced to deal with the insane amount of lag this causes. It’s frustrating, it’s irritating, and having to log to another server just to get away from it is ridiculous.
Edited to clarify a couple points and put in a couple things I forgot.
Here’s a link to the message from the GM - names obviously blocked out. My name is also not Kareem, I’m assuming they copy-pasted from another reply to someone else about this same issue, and forgot to change the name.
https://imgur.com/a/cwKhqE5
