I don’t really see how HC SSF can remotely work (or just SF) if it isn’t a new realm.
Yes I understand the community for SF will be smaller, and a whole other server is probably an inconvenience of your computing space at blizzard to have a whole other realm for a tight nit niche group of people.
However HC is already plagued with if someone dies they are mob tagged and dungeon grinded back up to 60 with no real effort. So if you just make the SF an option on an existing realm for a new character, they just pay for the service with gold on their main, swap to their SF HC toon and than the booster on a 60 just mob tags and boosts them kind of defeating the purpose.
While a separate service doesn’t eliminate this possibility from occurring, I feel it is far less likely at least for a decent amount of time to have this service since everyone will be fresh on that realm, and people who earn it and get 60 all by themselves all on their own accomplishments without any type of “carry” or assistance they “may” be less likely to participate in the boosting since it’s the spirit of the challenge.
I could be completely wrong on this, who knows but I feel as though a separate server is a must for at least the first 6 months.
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I responded to a question like this on the UK forums as they feel the same way… the self found mode should get their own servers… this would force all those participating to create/start new just to level out the playing field.
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the issue would remain on new servers just after 1 or 2 months. It’s pointless.
It’s like people getting ragnaros HC kill in season of mastery without dying by getting summoned in and DI’s to get their “achievement” players will always cheat.
it should be its own realm, but alas it’s not happening.
yes, some people will cheese the system. oh well.
i’m going to play it as it should be played, the spirit of SF, and I’m going to enjoy it. not gonna let some cheesers bring me down.
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I realize this post is probably a mute point after considering people can opt out of the SF option which means if there was a server for just SF they would either need to remove that function and advise players to swap to a non SF realm if they don’t wanna do SF anymore or the same issue i was complaining about still happens because than a bunch of people play on the SF realm but don’t do it SF which defeats the whole purpose within itself. I know Blizz has a hard job here, but idk a fresh server would be nice.
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Why are you concerned that someone else might be leaching off other people? I mean in all my leveling lately on my alts, I have seen plenty of people leveling, but nobody trying to game the system as you describe and only a 1-2 people which seem to be getting help from a higher level alt. Even if they launched a server just for SF, it wouldn’t change a single thing, this could still occur, there hardly is a plague.
If you want a “fresh” server your best option is to jump over to skull rock, the SF players would practically have the server to themselves, and I suspect anyone who would be getting “carried” say to boost themselves back up to 60 for raiding, would likely be on Defias, so you can escape your “plague” especially if you go horde.
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they would obviously remove the opt out option on a SF-only server.
the only reason for the opting out to exist is because we’re on a hybrid server of people both doing SF and not doing SF.
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There are not enough hardcore players for a third server. There’s not even enough hardcore players for a second server anymore. We should be asking them to merge the two servers we have, not add a third one, lol.
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I completely agree. SSF SHOULD have it’s own realm.
Than this problem wont happen later if it is made for only SF, no one can trade at any point, to me it only seems like the logical way to go.
I’ll be pretty disappointed, and honestly I’ll be reconsidering even trying SF if it’s on a server that is already established.
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What problem won’t occur?
If you have your flag on and only group with other people who have their flags on, nobody you group with will be trading at any point. This doesn’t change whether you’re on Defias, SR, or even if they did launch a fresh server.
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Blizzard’s already moved on and doesn’t care about HC anymore incase that isn’t blatantly obvious. The SF badge isn’t even being implemented the way they originally planned (as part of SoI) because it will take too much dev time.
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that’s a good thing; i don’t like SoI at all
My guess is that self-found guilds will pop up with honor systems where you only party with other SF players.
The subset of the population who wants to do this is just too small for another server, especially after the novelty wears off.
If I was cheeky and blizzard I would only make SF available on horde to try and bolster population on that side.
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Yeah the popularity of HC kind of went away the moment the streamers all left it behind.
SoD is the FOTM atm and will be probably until War Within drops or maybe Cata Classic (but I kind of doubt that) I don’t see SF being the new big thing.
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SF is not the next big thing and we don’t want it to be.
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As long as SF is opt in at creation and opt out at any time you like (by visiting an NPC afaik), people would just create a toon and then opt out a few levels in to pay the other.
Only way would be to enforce SSF … Solo as well because else you just pay for the carry by renouncing on all loot.
See the issue is SSF doesn’t solve the issue as mob tagging does not involve grouping up at all. You just have people not in your group spam healing you and then after you dps the mobs to 60% HP they finish off the mobs. They also gather up all the mobs for you to AoE (without damage so they don’t get the tag). Since you have a 60 spamming heals on you you are free to spam AoE abilities as much as you want.
You still get 100% of the xp using this method and would not require you to trade any items, use the AH, mail or even group up with other players.
why do people even care if others try and fudge the system , it hurts nothing but themselves, they will know they truly did not do the challenge, i do not see how anyone could affect me leveling my character during my personal challenge, i know i will do it proper and feel proud once i complete it.
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Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs.
The issue is with the section regarding need to be recognized within a group. If it is cheeseable than people will assume that you could have cheesed it and assign low value to the accomplishment. People go for achievements somewhat for Self-Actualization (different part of the pyramid) but also for Esteem (with the sub-section of recognition) If there is no guarantee of legitimacy than there is no way to gain recognition as some people will always assume it is illegitimate regardless of it was or wasn’t.
Sure you will always be able to know that you did it legit and feel proud of that accomplishment but sadly you are removing half of the psychological reason for wanting to do it in the first place.
I don’t care what you think of me or my achievement.
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