Self Destructive Community Behaviours*

Not what you might think of at first, so hear me out.

It’s about the current in-game gold economy. I know many of you will say “oh well prices are this high because the start of the expansion and we have all the raiders”

But as i recall it, our community as a whole has a motto of “don’t design the game around the 1%”. Now, raiders in general do not represent 1%, I know it is way higher than that. But it’s still not the majority of players.
Most people don’t have a guild to help them bankroll their character.

I see it like this. I have leveled up three times this expansion. A Priest, hunter, and a rogue.
My Hunter did EVERY quest. All of them. A grand total of approx. 17,850 gold.
So I would wager a new player might be lucky and have 20k gold.

Are the new players supposed to just wait a month to play the content they paid for? Why are you guys constantly setting the market prices to where only the top 10% of players can even afford it? Seriously, it just shuts down all future progress. nobody wants to pay to play a game where they have to have a second job just to afford a single piece of crafted gear.

“oh but you can just go get gear”
That takes weeks. And as many have pointed out, the loot drop rates trend toward abysmal and all but force your hand into buying at least a couple pieces of crafted gear. It took me nearly 67k gold (including tip) to buy the materials…and I already had a third of the materials just sitting in my bag.

You are making the community smaller by limiting how many people can even participate in the end game content that so many of us strive to complete. You setting prices for the 10%ers is making it hard for the other 90% of players, and it is YOU controlling the market price.

This isn’t a case of standard supply and demand, this is you DEMANDING my money for your minimal services. And even when I supply all the mats to have things crafted, you still demand like 10k to make anything.

I will say this. I had two characters near gold cap back in Wrath. I got all that gold by having two engineers. One making arrows and one making bullets. I sold them for about 5g above production cost. Everybody else was trying to charge upwards of 100g over cost.
None of them knew it, but I was distributing my arrows across four bank alts. I controlled almost the entire market and they didn’t even know it. I kept driving prices lower because it really shouldn’t be a second job.

This is a gods damned video game and you need to remember that. This shouldn’t turn into a second job. It shouldn’t take 50k gold per slot to craft my gear. It doesn’t cost you that much to learn it, it doesn’t cost you that much to produce it, and it shouldn’t cost that much to buy it. You are making the game nearly impossible for new players to get into and it is going to be a slow death by suffocation for this game if you keep it up.
The ONLY reason why people buy it at that price is because they have literally no other choice but to pay that price and you know it.

Stop abusing the market and I promise you the game will grow.
More people doing more content means more groups going. More groups going means more content. more people doing content means more people talking about content which could lead to more people coming in to enjoy the content.

This game is operating by word of mouth at this point. Everybody knows about it and either loves it or hates it or doesn’t play this kind of game in general.
We need word of mouth to be “damn bro I had so much fun getting geared, you should come play with me dude its so good rn”…
But all I hear is “this is kind of over complicated an needlessly expensive. I am thinking about unsubscribing because why pay to play a game where I can’t even catch up let alone get on par without buying gold?”

Just food for thought, and no. There is no TL;DR. This is a pretty critical point in our little home-away-from-home, Azeroth.

When nobody can buy a sword, who can afford to be a champion?

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Idk gold is pretty easy to get if your just engaging with the content world quests alone can net you 10-20k a week.

So it should only take me about a month for one piece of gear.

Think about the kind of time you just stated. Do you want to take a month or longer to make a single piece of gear?

Scroll

Shame.

I can’t even recall the last time I bought armor or weapons. Play the game.

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TL, DR…

What gear are you buying lol? There’s no way your spending 60k on a piece of gear right now unless your a mythic raider or pushing aotc week 1. And in both of those scenarios your already buying tokens anyway

You can always get the mats yourself, seems like you’re not in a hurry anyway.

yeah…I dont do that. Ever.
If I cant get by playing the game I just do without.
As you say, this shouldnt be a job. So I make it so its NOT a job. I play the game and enjoy it for what it is and whatever gear drops is what I use.

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you can see my gear. The wand. It cost me 67k gold with tip.
And again, I already had a third of the mats in my bag so thats for only 2/3 of the mats.

that takes alts and weeks.
Again, the timeline shoudln’t be making people wait til next season to have the gold…
People are paying for the content NOW, not later…

Keep in mind that gold isn’t an issue for me. I have an alt army, I can get the mats easy because I have 4 miners and 4 herbalists and 2 tailors and 3 enchanters.
It’s not about me.

Its about everybody else. Gotta get past your selfish tendencies and remember that people want to play the game, and making things prohibitively expensive just makes a smaller group to play with. IT becomes stagnant.

I mean its an online game, people wanna sell things expensive cuz they leveled their professions in 1 week , im sure you played in DF it was up for 2 years , all you had to do is do gold WQ on you alts, i made over 1 million gold just doing WQ in 2 months, now if you did it for 2 years you woulda had over gold cap, in DF on my alt, so if people dont know how to play the game its not blizz fault

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who ever mentioned blizzard even once?
They don’t set the prices, WE DO. I am talking to everybody in the community.

Yah I didn’t take the time to look at your gear as I really don’t care that much. 67k for a wand is wild though lol. It’s tough out there.

If I’m giving my honest 2 cents….the average player your talking about doesnt even have any crafted gear yet. The players that do already have enough gold for it to not matter. While I agree maybe prices are a bit high for the “average” player it’s not unobtainable by any stretch.

I agree stuff is expensive but gold really is easier to come by.

You can pick up the easy gathering proffesions (herbing, mining, and fishing) and still make alot of bank. You just gather, mine and fish as you’re doing quests.

I made 600k gold in the past 2-3 weeks just selling stuff I passively gathered, mined and fished. Im no expert by any means so if you look up a proper guide and top routes Im sure you could be alot more efficient if you wanted too.

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What are you buying gear on the auction house? Who does that except for maybe profession gear. If it’s too high I’ll level an alt to make some things.Don’t buy on the AH if things are too high let them rot there. Manipulators buy all the items up and jack the price. Do heroics, Raids, BG’s for gear.

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New professions are butt for gear unless you have $$$$$$$. I don’t so it’s all random world quests + pray/hope.

Blizz even took it a step further limiting delve and normal gear. If that’s not a sign they want us buying wow tokens to gear up faster, I don’t know what is.

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That’s for sure a take. You can out gear normal raid by not even spending any money on gold. The idea that people are struggling to get enough gear to even enter heroics without buying gold is wild

No, you don’t need a second job, at least not irl…but does your character have a job? As you pointed out, professions can make huge amounts of gold, especially right now.

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Making gold through content is simply not a thing anymore, sadly playing the game is not enough. Either you grind it through many means which can be super mindless or akin to work or you buy a wowtoken which at this point it feels pushing players that way as I do know many players that already bough gold this expansion.

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No one said it was a struggle. What we’re saying is it takes weekly time. You can’t just outright grind normals/valor/crests a week straight to get into heroics. You have to wait for next week for more random chances of gear.

OR you go buy some AH gear. And that stuff is mad expensive if you opt to do other things with your time.

Then the moment you’re in heroics, it’s 100% a non time gated grind. Like why?

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It’s hard to think this isn’t deliberate, because it leads to token sales.

OP, most people are “solving” the problem by buying a token or two, which then trivializes the AH cost.

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