I intended to do either Heroic or Mythic Nighthold. I got an invite to night hold and immediately knew something wasn’t right. Was at Cenerious fight area and all was empty besides a few people. I asked in chat “why am I locked to Mythic. And thats when i knew I was the idiot for accepting an invite to someone who had already cleared everything. So about 4 other people besides myself gotr5 locked from Mythic Nighthold.
There is a prompt when entering an instance if someone is locked to the fights on whether to accept the lockout or cancel the lockout.
I think this should matter too. Whether it does or not, I don’t know. I’m not going to argue on policy because I don’t know. But it feels like intent should be taken into account here.
I mean IRL if a man shoots another man and kills him, that’s … not great. But intent vastly changes the punishment. Murder 1, self defense, completely accidental? Either way the same technical thing happened. Intent matters there, it should matter in-game as well, especially in cases where it was clearly evident.
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Seriously WTF? What does murder in the real world have to do with removing a player from a group in a video game?
Apples and Oranges!
I ran into a group where someone claimed they were 300-400 vers and were helping out lower geared players for a TOV mythic clear and I inspected him and he wasn’t even 740 but there was a 740 warlock and I didn’t know how to check vers % i do now and basically after the first boss he dipped and he had intentionally invited all lower geared players to mythic and we couldn’t kill helya. Some people are just straight scum.
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… Ok.
If someone is caught on security camera shoving a pack of gum into their pocket and running out of the store, then their intent is clear and will likely incur punishment. The store owner may end up deciding to ban them from the store. Fair.
However, if the camera sees them accidentally drag a pack of gum into their big coat sleeve while pulling something else off the shelf, and they left the store with it without even noticing, that’s not likely to gain any ire from the store owner.
The same thing happened in both cases. A pack of gum was taken from the store without paying. But intent matters on whether the subject should receive punishment or not.
I mean I can explain it without a “crime” if that makes you feel better. If your toddler takes a hammer and smashes a picture frame to pieces intentionally as opposed to knocking it off the shelf while playing … XD You get my point.
The concepts I use, or extremeness of them thereof, are irrelevant. Their purpose is to convey the abstract point I’m trying to make: Which is that intent should matter in these types of things.
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Dude, seriously, what does commiting crime in the real world have to do with a video game.
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
Nobody takes my gum and gets away with it! 
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I saw someone try to pull this in a normal NH run. Normal……guess he didnt understand it doesnt work like that, outside of mythic.
This is giving me flashbacks to the thread about what punishment someone should incur in Overwatch for being toxic in chat, and I argued against permaban by using the example, “We don’t give people the deatlh penalty for jaywalking.”
And there were people who said very similar things then (what does jaywalking have to do with a video game lol??), and I wasn’t sure if they were using some debate tactic or being disagreeable on purpose or what.
I’m not sure which you’re doing either. But it’s ok. lol Just take out the abstract concept comparison that you’re getting hung up on, then. The overall point is intent should come into account when determining the severity of punishment. That’s it. That’s all I’m trying to convey. 
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Some people will never see reason. It’s like they’re purposely trying to delegitimize anything you say that goes even remotely against they’re stance. It’s just wasting seconds of your life arguing with people like that.
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I know. XD I’m not saying the person I was talking to is definitely doing this, because I think some people’s brains are more hardwired to see differences in abstract connections instead of similarities. I have a friend who always nitpicks at my analogies because her brain is wired like that, so that could be the case here. I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
But I do see this type of thing a lot with “debate lord” type personas. You know, the people who read all the art of debate books and learn tactics to argue. So they become intentionally disagreeable and see every topic as a chance to prove themselves. Destiny is a good example of this. Dean Withers too. Lots of college kids are into it.
I hate it, personally. 
I like having genuine discussions, not debates. I’m not interested in “winning.” I just want to understand people while also explaining my own ideas so they understand me. A polite exchange of information and viewpoints.
But, ya know, internet culture be like… No, not allowed. XD
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Yeah, its frustrating but if you argue online enough you will find that some people just cant evaluate analogies. They will say that both aren’t identical and completely miss the point. Im not sure what it is, if some education systems just dont teach analogies or something but it is frustrating. Your point was well made that intent matters. Someone kicking a single person and mocking them for the lockout but then continuing the run is fundamentally different than someone forming a group ONLY to grief everyone.
Could be described as an issue of scale as well. Its far more likely that someone accidentally takes a pack of gum than accidentally take 20 packs of gum. Malicious intent is much more easily seen at a larger scale.
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Once everyone’s kicked, theyre sent back to their own realm, and majority of them are unreachable at that point.
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I actually have a good theory on this. Well, I didn’t come up with it, but it ties into Objective Personality theory. Basically, some people think better with analogies, and some people are more literal. So intuitive / abstract vs. sensor / literal thinkers.
It’s not really related to how smart someone is, even though intuitive people TEND to score higher on IQ tests just because the questions are more abstract problems. But it doesn’t actually mean they’re smarter. Just how the different brain works.
A good example of this is I have a friend who is very literal minded, but also very intelligent (waaaaay smarter than me lol). I had a healthy food discount card, so I sent her in the store to get us some snacks, and she asked what she could get.
And I said, “You know, ‘healthy’ stuff. So like apples, almonds, strawberries, you know, things like that.”
So she goes in … and came out with apples, almonds, and strawberries. And said, “I wasn’t sure what else I could get because those were the only things you said.”
I facepalmed. lol But it’s like, her brain has trouble with abstract categories, and she wants exact literal confirmation on what items are in said categories. Like she refuses to take the leap and make the assumption. But man … she has an eye for detail like you would not believe. Can go through lines and lines of paperwork and find every single error with ease. It’s wild.
Sorry for the rant. XP But yeah, I think it’s that. The TL;DR is making abstract connections between seemingly different concepts - and/or clumping things into abstract categories - doesn’t click as well with some brains, but it doesn’t mean they’re dumb or lesser.
… Or that has nothing to do with it, and people just like being disagreeable sometimes for the sake of it. XD
But that’s just a theory … a gaaaaaaame theory.
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Why you only do this in a community group like ours
That’s a programmer’s mind.
Though we usually prefer to let IDLE do it for us:
invalid syntax line 161, unexpected statement close, maybe you meant ==?
People unable to understand abstract thought are the NPCs around us in real life.
And we’re only as strong as our weakest link
I dont get why they lock you out either, just make it so its only lootable once per day, Im sure they can do that
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