the class is already agreeable
honestly, if anything, the alliance has too many dang paladins 
Thereās no way you played a paladin and can say itās in a good state youāre just probably mad when you had to PvP against them
And if the class was actually agreeable why donāt we see more ret or prot paladins around why do they always have to be healers 
lmfao. Not agreeable. You try to do anything as ret or prot you wont get an invite. PVP or PVE. Just dont say anything about SOM and worry about era or a fresh classic wow.
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Guy has no idea what he is talking about. Only response isā¦ āGo play retailā. Bro rets on retail have a million abilities now hahahaha. Asking for one thing means you are a retail ret. Such a retard
100%, and prot is only used for building reckoning stacks for pvp, prot is even bad for leveling in dungeons. Ret works fairly well lvling and around lvl 50-60 it hits a wall.
Iāll say it again small tweaks that wonāt be game breaking to ret and prot. It becomes a very nice class to play. To go along with this reduce the healing of paladins.
Or do as you say ā no changes ā. Ok then no debuff for divine protection, bop. They could be used back to back when the game was live. I fought many paladins in stv and they were nearly impossible to kill. Letās do no changes.
If you think the game design is bad in vanilla why even play it? You want ret buffed so itās damage is mid tier, what effects do you think that would have on PvP? Rets survivability is already insane in vanilla, now you want to buff their dmg too? How about ele shaman? Shadow priest? 2 other beasts in PvP, you want to buff them too? Unkillable rets deleting people and elemental shamans never going oom so they can continue to one shot everyone they target.
The game isnt an esport. You said yourself, you played ret in vanilla, so why does it need to be changed? You can still get a raid spot as ret, so what is the purpose of buffing ret? So you can show your parents your position on the damage meters and get a pat on the back? Vanilla is already the best version of wow and people want to play vanilla, they donāt want to play vanilla dragonflight where every class is identical and if theyāre not they get tuned again until eventually they are all the same.
Leave class balancing out of vanilla, go on play dragonflight if you feel the need to be an esportsman in a 15 year old non competitive game.
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they donāt think this far ahead about anything 
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Thatās a laughable response any good mage can own a ret pali all day every day. Even if you buffed a ret pali.
Trolling with pat on my back from mommy? Come on youāre better than that.
Absolutely buff hybrids to be mid to low dmg tier.
Weāre not even talking about buffing their survivability just adding crusader strike and the necessary mana sustain talents
Your response is that the best kiting class in the game can kill one of the least mobile? You realise thereās more than 2 classes right? Again, stop trying to make vanilla an esport. It wasnāt 18 years ago, it still isnāt now.
You played ret in vanilla. Ret is playable. Play it again, or play a different game if your enjoyment of it is solely tied to your position on a graph. You can get the dopamine hit you require in dragonflight of seeing your name higher than someone elseās name on a graph.
And you donāt see how not going oom and being able to do more damage isnāt going to increase their survivability? Enemy dies faster = less dmg taken. More mana sustain =keeping yourself alive for longer.
PvP Iām classic is busted and nothing is gonna suddenly fix you not getting one shotted Iām talking about the pve changes so you can be what you want and not feel like you are lucky that your guild brought you along
well are you gonna nerf their survivability? because thatās what you should do if youāre gonna buff their damage.
see, youāre opening a pandoraās box here that should remain closed.
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PvP in classic is very rock paper scissors. You havenāt even thought of how buffing memes would have huge impacts on it because all you see is a greedy dream of ret being on top of the meters regardless of how it impacts the game negatively.
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By your logic class imbalance is what classic is about. So wait PvP has to be balanced? Or does pve only have to imbalanced. You lost me.
Your logic is flawed
No one said top of the metersā¦.just another lie.
Again portraying the box meta ā memeā spec cool
If you guys are really gonna cry about divine shield then letās give warriors shattering throw I always loved it so there let them have that one of the most popular classes to be able to shatter their divine bubble and ice block now be quiet about it Iām here talking about pve these changes wonāt really affect PvP in the way you guys think because guess what you havenāt played this class even from hearing the mage say that our class isnāt mobile even tho we have a 4 sec down time on blessing of freedom just goes to show you donāt know what youāre talking about
Put pallies unchanged like you say
There would literally be no forebearance. You could almost BoP, or bubble all day for months after vanilla launch. Then yes keep the damage the same and remove forebearance debuff to its vanilla state.
Just adding crusader strike, taunt and better mana sustain isnāt gonna change the way you play the game this isnāt gonna suddenly replace all the warriors in your raid group to paladins this would just make them feel smoother and deal āDECENTā dps they wonāt become the best
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