Season 4 Balance Druid Tier Set Feedback

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Ttvtettles-area-52

It actually isn’t a strong bonus. It’s still quite a weak bonus compared to the Season 3 bonus at 489.

I wasnt comparing it to any other set. Just its former bonus perk of S1. Its not a free spender out of the gate, but that 40% bonus is still strong (more so in AoE). Was about a 25% nerf to the tier set (overall damage im not sure off the top of my head).

I think a lot of tier sets (number wise) lose out to their S3 options

@Yolklore-zuljin

I don’t think it was unreasonable for people to vote expecting that it would be treated as getting the S1 tier set having the functionality it had in S1, rather than the state it was in during the season we weren’t supposed to be using it anyways.

I think its 100% unreasonable. In the 20 years, how many times has Blizzard been known to revert one of their nerfs/changes in its entirety? Thats a fools dream.

Now im not arguing the fun factor and WANTING the unnerfed version, but very unrealistic to think it would come back. Maybe there’ll be enough stink made it’ll get the actual revert the week before S4 goes live. But i doubt it.

As far as fun, getting into Eclipses at about half the time to start your real damage is where i find the fun. Not to mention if you time it right, you get a buffed builder in your eclipse too

[Wurrzog-illidan]

I saw the egg coming and voted for season 3, I had no faith we were getting the reverted S1 back and it will be interesting to see how Balance does in S4. I hope its not DOA but the hope of S1 tier power was quickly dismissed when the tuning came out.

[Dextructive-tichondrius (Dextructive)]

IMO for PvP, the S3 2pc was the greatest trait ever made (for quality of life - though the S1 bonuses are definitely greater for dps), and it pinpoints the issues with the Shadowlands Eclipse changes. It should be baseline (though, in my ideal world, I’d revert Boomy to BfA S1 design)

[Manwë-tichondrius]

I posted a very similar thread to this about a week ago here:

Balance Season 4 Set-Bonuses are a Problem

A few months ago, balance druid players were asked to vote on which set bonuses they wanted to have in season 4 out of the first three seasons and the season 1 set was chosen. We did not get the season 1 set bonus. The problem is that at the very end of season one, the set bonus was changed and nerfed into the ground in order to make way for the new season two set bonus which was mediocre in comparison. The 2-set stayed the same besides numbers tuning, but the 4-set had a big change. Here is wha…

I never had any faith that we would actually get the Season 1 tier back and instead voted for Season 3. I also posted on the voting thread for both clarification and to warn people away from voting for the reworked Season 1 set. We never got clarification and the Season 1 bonuses ended up winning the vote. Tettles is absolutely right that what we’re getting is pretty bad and nowhere near as fun as the actual Season 1 set bonuses.

I also think that Dreamstate (the Season 3 2-set bonus) should be a talent option because of how nice it feels to play when getting into an eclipse. There should probably be some slight changes to make sure that it always activates since the current 2-set will notoriously sometimes not be active when you’re out of combat, especially after having a death or a raid wipe. But otherwise it works well and would be nice as a baseline talent option.

[Squidza-ragnaros]

sometimes i hope that the SOD devs come to the actual retail team because they actually listen and read what ppl say about his game

[Drdoomkin-area-52]

Yeah i quit pveing on my boomy I didn’t like the SL rework and the talent tree is a mess sod boomkin feels nice to play wish retail felt somewhat like sod boomkin

[Lunagoat-sargeras]

so bad even wowhead calls it out lol.

This information may be important to Tier Loot decisions, especially for guilds that are going for Mythic, as this bug makes the Devastation Evoker Tier Set the worst Tier Set of Season 4 until it’s fixed (worse than Balance Druids).

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[Lunagoat-sargeras]

Also, one thing that I think would make these fated seasons more interesting in the future is if we could vote on the 2 pc and 4 pc bonuses independently.

IE if we redid it that way and we had the OG S1 version, i’d probably vote S3 2PC and S1 4 PC.

Some combinations might end up OP, but it’d be way more fun to mix and match if they can tune the outliers.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Lunagoat-sargeras

Also, one thing that I think would make these fated seasons more interesting in the future is if we could vote on the 2 pc and 4 pc bonuses independently.

While this could be fun, it would result in a whole new world of balance. The point of fated seasons is to do as little work as possible

[Tythowl-illidan]

Also the tier’s 4pc generally interacts with the 2pc so separating the effects will probably result in it being terrible most of the time.

[Dragonfraud-onyxia]

I knew this would happen and voted for S3… It was a very bad idea to listen to this fraudulent company in the first place.

Only thing we can do now is to s***storm this forum and hope that at least one capable dev will hear us. Not equipping tier till full heroic and loosing S3 2piece? I rather not equip it at all. God how much I hate myself for even subbing again and paying money for this dumpster fire of a game.

[Romancemage-kiljaeden]

people high on copium if they take blizzard for their word. Said s1 set was gonna be a terrible idea and it would be the nerfed version and blizzard would not tune it properly.
Atleast now i can take a nice vacation and take it easy since there is no point to bring a boomie to raid

[Verdantsun-stormrage]

Spoilert alert, there never was. Balance has been mediocre to bad in raids for most of the xpac. It’s only been good in high M+ keys.

[Sulum-area-52]

We still have the nerfed version of the S1 set.

And the 2-set bonus from S3 being made a talent cannot come soon enough. Feels so bad casting slow starfires to enter eclipse…

[Dragonfraud-onyxia]

I hope the community learns from this and never listens to streamers ever again.

S1 being the pre nerfed version was completely copium and never confirmed by blizz. Even the first post here mentioned it but it’s pure imagination. There was never a single statement that it will return to it’s former glory. Community votes are garbage and the playerbase should by now know that streamers are full of lies.

Look at plunderstorm… This garbage mode was hyped by streamers. Take this as a lesson and think for yourself next time you vote.

[Chickenxd-frostmourne]

Awesome…getting excited about equipping 4 set next week then find out its absolute garbage… Please listen and revert it to SOMETHING i can equip without feeling bad. Don’t even care what it is, just make it better than 489 S3 tier.

[Auroth-destromath]

any chance we can get the S3 tier set added (at S4 ilvl), and leave the existing S1 tier set in place for all the RP players who voted for it? collective punishment when some can’t do simple basic maths or logic seems rough. some players clearly voted for S1 tier set to do world quest only. thanks blizz

[Wurrzog-illidan]

They voted in hopes of a reverted S1, with no word from Blizz that was going to happen. Sad to see but the troll was real.

[Petemolyneux-hyjal]

Need to chime in and echo the feedback. I could have 4pc this week with vault and catalyst together, and it’s so insane to see that it’s going to be a dps loss when I sim, going from S3 4pc to S4 4pc. The gear itself is even higher ilevel in S4, and it’s still a dps loss. This can’t be intended design… something has to change.

[Squidza-ragnaros]

Blizzard for real don’t give a damn about his players, they’re busy developing the next shadowlands