Seal of the Crusader bugged?

The damage portion of this ability seems to be completely bugged out. It doesn’t work at all. Neither the bonus damage, nor the damage reduction per swing.

I have taken screenshots as proof, but apparently am unable to post them on the forum.

Did you post this in the right place?

It’s been that way since Vanilla. It says “up to” whatever amount of damage. I don’t think it’s bugged.

Yes. I’m asking for second opinions. Unsure if this is just how it was in Vanilla, or if I’m just being an idiot.

Well I mean you are playing a pally sooo…

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No. I’m talking about the swing damage, not Judgment. As I said in the original post: “Neither the bonus damage, nor the damage reduction per swing.” are working. I’ve taken multiple screenshots of increasing damage per swing, as well as more damage before activating SotS. It just seems to not calculate the melee attack power at all.

Nope it’s working. Perhaps you’re misunderstanding how it works.

Edit: It ends up dealing about the same damage as before on hits, but just at a faster attack speed, that’s it. It’s mostly useful for it’s judgement then immediately switching back to SoR or SoCo.

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If you understand it, why not enlighten him?

Edit: nvm, and thank you.

I’m not sure there’s a misunderstanding regarding “granting x melee attack power and 40% increased attack speed.” But, fine. Let’s say it’s working as it did in Vanilla (pretty sure it did work in Vanilla, but it’s been a really long time and I don’t trust my memory of it) the attack power reduction per swing is still not working.

if the damage reduction doesn’t work, then seal of the crusader is very powerful, considering the 40% attack speed bonus
although, it might just be the case that the damage reduction, at your gear level, is being nullified by the AP bonus

I’m pretty sure its working properly, it has slightly lower dps then judgment of the crusader + seal of righteousness for me right now. Your only meant to use the judgment from it, not seal of the crusader by itself.

But you can use it to level up weapon skills faster.

Fills the Paladin with the spirit of a crusader for 30 sec, granting 36 melee attack power. The Paladin also attacks 40% faster, but deals less damage with each attack.

The ability never specifies how much less damage you deal with each attack. Just playing around with it my white hits hit for slightly less than they normally do, but with a 40% faster attack speed.

It works.

You use it to judge the target and debuff them. At level 12 or so you’ll do an extra 2 damage with your holy spells.

Judge the target with it then swap to your other seal. Seal of Righteousness.

The stronger I get the more it seems like I actually LOSE attack power when activating SotC. It’s still worthwhile for, leveling new weapon skills, and the judgment…but the seal itself is definitely bugged. Whether it was that way in Vanilla or not, I can’t say for sure. I’m pretty sure it worked…but that was a really long time ago.

You do lose attack power.

That’s part of the tool-tip. Increases attack speed but decreases attack power. Judging with the seal debuffs the enemy but does no damage itself.

Icy-veins says only use it when it’s a mob that will live for a while like an elite.

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=21082/seal-of-the-crusader

It is working as intended, again, you just don’t understand the tooltip and are not reading it fully.

I am pretty sure Blizzard was just being super helpful and gave Paladins a skill for leveling a new weapon type. Makes it much quicker :slight_smile:

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No. On the first swing it is supposed to INCREASE attack power. It GRANTS (for my current level) 58 attack power. It then proceeds, after that, to decrease the damage with each attack. It does not. The first white swing is 10 less damage than without it active, and the damage does not go down subsequentially afterwards. God I wish I could post screenshots.

Even in that link provided from the classic wowhead…it says

" Seal of the Crusader Magic

Melee attack power increased by 36. Melee attacks are 40% faster, but deal less damage.
30 seconds remaining"

Seal of the Crusader is not supposed to decrease as time goes on. It never says deals less damage over time. It says “but deals less damage.”

How it works is that it adds the AP and then changes the weapon speed scaling of your weapon to match the 40% haste. Ya it sucks. For about 3 patches you had a seal of the crusader that didn’t have the damage reduction. Everyone complained that paladins were OP and they were fixed to actually have a damage reduction to match the tooltip.

Would we all like it back? Yes. Would we all like seal of fury back to make us best threat tanks? Yes. Are we? No.

So it increases your attack power, increases your haste, and you lose damage? Do you not see a problem with that logic?

Yes, it is supposed to increase your attack power. Then every attack after that lowers the attack power bonus. So like, you might do 40 damage…then you activate SotC. You hit for 60, then 55, then 50, then 45, etc. until the damage is roughly on par with (maybe a bit lower than) your base white damage without SotC.