I can’t agree they’ve attempted to make it work when it has always been burdened by borrowed power.
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The borrowed power was the fix though. Not just for spriests, but for a few other classes.
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Borrowed power has resulted in two of the major grievances the community has with Voidform. Ramp and scaling. While both are a necessary part of the Voidform design, the extent to which we have had them as long as Voidform has existed is not.
And they’re fixing it this expansion with more borrowed power. That’s the problem. it needs an overhaul. Not more borrowed power.
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I agree it needs an overhaul. I think that overhaul can be done to Voidform itself instead of reworking or removing it.
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Borrowed power is here to stay even if we HATE that universally.
What we CAN do is provide feedback on what the spec NEEDS baseline and carefully do DAMAGE CONTROL on borrowed power.
The LARGEST complaints on VF is ramp; COI/corruption and mass hysteria is like 90% of the problem. Try to imagine that. Try to consider things like iris beam and breath were GOOD borrowed powers and their function should perhaps become forward with us in shadowlands.
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Can they put enough band aids on it to work? Maybe… Will it be fun… No.
I hate void form with a living passion and spriest has never felt fluid or fun since the removal of orbs. I don’t think the addition of dp, or the borrowed power, will change my mind on that. Sorry. My mind is set.
#removevoidform
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Just make sure you are fully informed before cementing your opinion based on what Blizzard has made Voidform to be, instead of what it could be.
https://voidform-optimizer.com/
Are you saying we haven’t had borrowed power as long as we’ve had Voidform? Because that wouldn’t be necessarily true. Not counting the legion pre-patch, Voidform has been around as long as, and has relied on borrowed powers in order to function. Without the artifact traits, specially Mass Hysteria, shadow wasn’t even a wet noodle, it was straight up a brittle uncooked noodle.
I like the idea of void form, but I hate how they have done it. In my opinion, it should be reversed. You should be trying to burn away insanity energy, not trying to build it up.
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So, I pressed buttons. I can’t tell from just mashing a simulator. But, understand my beef is with the whole core of it. Making tweaks is not going to cut it.
I hate the whole concept of void form.
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That is my point. If Voidform were to be fixed such that it doesn’t require borrowed power to function, I’m convinced it would fix a lot of players’ grievances with it, since those grievances are a result of borrowed power and not the design of it.
I’m not against those who want to remove Voidform. I’m against those that wish it to be removed for the wrong reasons. I’m sorry to hear it can’t be fixed for you.
really?..you think we just want it gone for the sake of it. No one is dismissing your opinion don’t dismiss ours
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Voidform has to be changed… ramp-up dmg of 35 secs - 40 secs- is not good when people can’t use that dmg on most of content… only when they are at long raid fights and even there it is just doing same dmg as all other classes (without them using their burst cds)… without saying if you move, the boss has a transition or something that makes you lose your stacks just dooms you to the bottom.
i don’t care if we keep or lose voidform… i want this class to be good enough to do most content.
That’s an arcane mage resource system- it’s nearly a mirror but a bit more concentrated. It doesn’t offer the same thing voidform does; otherwise I would have main swapped to it in 8.0
I’m not overly concerned about VF being removed, despite the current forum climate. Blizzard’s stance feels pretty clear to me, and has felt pretty clear since Ion’s comments about ‘no more major changes’ back toward the start of alpha.
DP is honestly way more of a fundamental change than I really expected to get. I thought at best we were just going to see some amount of number changes.
I’m still expecting just number changes from here on out, but with what was described in some of the interviews yesterday (potential talent changes primarily), I’m somewhat optimistic there might still be something more. Playing with Ryeshot’s simulator, it feels like maybe something good can come out of it, but hard to say for certain. I’m rooting for base SW:V, baseline haste in VF and proper tuning of DP, amongst other things.
I’m still probably going to switch off Priest, I think VF might just not be for me even as someone who’s ostensibly a main spec healer. I gotta do world content and DPS in raids sometimes and I just don’t find it particularly fun. Maybe there’ll be more significant changes than I expect, but I’m not that optimistic.
Does this optimizer of yours indicate the damage pattern that our dots will be subject to because of voidform, or just the feel of pushing buttons as they come of cd? Dots need to be disentangled from voidform.
Can you expand on this?
Voidform should not scale the damage of dots at all so that they feel strong baseline. Back when DP was our finisher, our damage felt good all the time. Voidform haste stacking forces are dots to be useless outside of VF.
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Yeah but that has been because they buffed them early in the expansion when we needed it and then we did what shadow does and scaled real hard. Void form just amplified that. There would be no point in having a hasted void form or even extra damage in void form if it didn’t buff our dots.