make it a talent. an optional talent. hhow we spend our insanity sounds like it should be a talent option
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The only way to save void form, and fix the spec at the same time, is to completely change the way it and the spec as a whole works. #removevoidform is about fixing the spec, if they revert back to wod orbs but add in some dps cooldown called voidform I would be very happy.
The visuals of voidform are great and they should definitely keep them as a part of the spec, but just don’t sacrifice the specs gameplay for aesthetics.
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I think people who like void form should be able to talent into it.
Since surrender to madness doesn’t work anymore, why not make that talent the void form talent? You surrender to madness, and embrace the ways of the void. Converting you from shadow priest to void priest.
Everyone wins.
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I’m well aware of what #removevoidform means. I’m just convinced that Voidform can be fixed with relatively little development effort – not completely reworking it.
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If that’s the case it should have been fixed a long time ago but here we are now.
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Yes, it should have been. But Voidform having the potential to be fixed is not the same as knowing how to fix it. I believe that is why we are where we are now.
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I’m not saying it can’t be fixed, just that I don’t agree with you saying it requires “little development effort” because it’s clear it’s taking them quite a bit of effort to figure out what to do with the spec.
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When i say development effort I am referring to the amount of time it takes to implement the change into the game for us end users to experience. The problem is, they can’t make any implementations if they do not understand the design they are going for.
After seeing the new S2M talent iteration, VB Rank 2 functional disconnect, SW:D debacle and Devouring Plague token gesture that competes with the entire “Void” spec…
All that after 4 years of this “era” of “Shadow” I think they have demonstrated enough that they have no idea what they are doing and what direction they want to go.
Stop wasting MORE time and just reset to what they know and what works for 10+ years before this failed void Form experiment.
If you cant make a spec work / function at base then DON’T allow it to be shoehorned in the game and make everyone who plays it suffer and not just suffer… PAY for the suffering.
Enough is enough.
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theres 4 years of shadow priests researching it that says it cant be fixed. now were fed up.
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Well, looks like you won. Interview confirmed it’s here to stay. Have fun being one of the very few priests around haha. At least you’ll be guaranteed a raid spot.
Which interview?
WarcraftRadio
Big changes are done for shadow just confirmed in twitch interview…it was a good fight but all fires die eventually.
they were asked about talent changes and class changes with shadow priest being specifically mentioned
they said they will look at classes after conduits and everything is implemented and players get to try them. so there answer is more borrowed power.
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It’s way bigger scope than you think…it’s a borrowed power making the game far too complex for them to manage properly. You can blame voidform but I’m not convinced it’s the issue.
No one wins if Shadow stays in the state it is now.
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Shadow can be immediately improved by shifting the baseline damage percentage bonus of Shadowform and Voidform to haste, this reduces our dependancy on haste gear.
Shadow priest talents do not offer a lot of choice and they merely cover up how grossly incomplete the baseline shadowpriest toolkit is, which is a fundamentally flawed design approach.
Talents should improve on existing spec strengths and add in flavour and variability.
SWD and DP serve the same function of providing extra damage in primarily questing/open world scenarios, i dont believe both need to exist and DP is really the complete opposite thematic direction shadow has taken in the last two years.
There is two versions of shadow priest, Vanilla-WotLK played the role of Cult of the Damned (Scourge) Shadow Priest and Cata onwards played the role of Twilight Cultist (Old God) Shadow Priest, these two who factions ideologies are opposed, Shadowpriests thematic experience should not be split with baseline spells, if people which to talent specifically to create an allegiance, then that can be an option.
https://pastebin.com/2bPBKGgU
Here is how i would revamp the existing shadow priest tookit/playstyle/talents to reintroduce life to a dying spec.
*Note, im not suggesting that my revamp is an all or nothing agenda, take what you will, draw your own inspiration, think about what you would like to see within shadow, its clear that the development team is out of ideas, we cant just say whats wrong, we need to provide solutions, more voices, better spec, better experience.
awesome! i cant wait to be good on 2 encounters every tier what a joke
borrowed power isnt making it too complex for them. borrowed power is what makes it remotely playable which is a terrible design. so no naked voidform doesnt work. you can remain unconvinced all you want. ignorance is bliss right?
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Just because it doesn’t work, or hasn’t worked in the past, doesn’t mean it can’t work if the developers made an attempt to do so.
theyve made attempts. its bad design. i knew it was going to be awful before i even got my hands on it in legion. its not rocket science as to why it doesnt work.
waiting at least a minute to ramp into your damage is terrible. it only allows for a few very specific encounters for you to be useful, makes world content bad, makes pvp bad, makes dungeons bad. makes almost the entire game bad. you can keep the visuals and all that jazz but pushing stacks doesnt work. blizzard already admitted it in their blue post.
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