Im levelling my feral druid alt for PVP in 9.1 and have a question on these two talents…
Is SotF just better ? doing a search for guides on youtube and most people say it just is, but 36 seconds of +15% damage seems very good. Im going to be necrolord and doing mostly 2’s and junglecleave in 3’s.
I think what puts SotF ahead are 1) The opportunity cost of Savage Roar (spending CP on maintenance instead of damage), and 2) the energy refund of SotF making the rotation faster, but it really comes down to tuning or course.
SotF is also just easier to play with. Savage Roar is one more thing to pay attention to, and one more thing to have set up when you’re trying to secure a kill.
Yeah I know its another thing to watch and maintain but last I played i think roar was just baseline? (This was wod iirc) and I tbh miss using 5 cp on something besides FB and maim. So the maintenance of it doesn’t bother me, it feels weird not having it imo.
But sotf seems (if im getting the information correct) just better damage numerically?
Alot of High arena necro ferals run SR. mainly because you dont really FB much. You want as much uptime on your dots as possible and the +constant 15% is very good.
Conversely, if you’re not a necro kitty, and are therefore bite oriented, SotF is just going to outshine.
But SR is definitely the bleed build.
Savage roar is better, ferocious bite does not hit hard in pvp at all at necro, and the +15 percent on all your damage easily overtakes almost never biting, also you can apply rip at low combo points because your not missing out on the 5% per combo point from soul
You can play both soul is easier to use but savage roar has a higher skill cap I guess and is arguably better damage.
Say if I was playing against rogue mage or something in 2s sometimes I dont play savage roar and opt to go with soul instead as I’m not really worried about ramping my damage im more concerned with just doing my go and as fast as possible.
Thank you all, yall are really crushing it with the help.
I have just a couple questions, and yeah these feel like really basic things, but id just like confirmation cuz i kinda feel like the answer is pretty straight forward, but just want to double check with people that know…
Sabertooth with Sotf and Lunar Inspiration with Savage Roar ?
Brutal Slash is just superior to Shred and i should be using Slash over Shred during GO’s ?
temporary bleed damage increases like Adaptive Swarm and Tiger’s Fury, i want those up before i apply the bleed, right?
Always LI, it goes too well with draught and adaptive swarm. Moonfire will be your top dmg in a decent amount of games.
Always use brutal slash over shred yes except during berserk because BS doesn’t work to give you the extra combo points
Tigers fury yes, adaptive swarm can go up whenever and just buffs everything currently on the target and everything applied while it’s on.
My typical opener (I always run Savage roar) is: TF from stealth, rake, swarm, feral frenzy, berserk, rip, savage roar (with 2 combo points), moonfire.
With those rolling you don’t need to be near the target to kill, so I’ll usually run away and bash the healer or the other DPS if Hunter has intim/trap going already. Then can go back and shred, bite if low or with no kill guaranteed I will refresh savage roar.
Personally I always play savage roar, which means I get very few bites out. I’ll only bite if the target is low or if I know I have enough time to build back 10 combo points before roar or rip fall
The biggest benefit of going with Savage Roar in PvP is when you pair it with Lunar Inspiration.
With this, you can damage at range, build combos at range, and here’s the kicker, SPEND combos at range in order to get Predator’s Swiftness procs to heal, all at range.
Yeah, your damage will suffer when doing nothing but ranged, but for anyone that is looking to kite as a kitty, that’s the best way at the moment.
gotta say, im really enjoying this. thank you all very much for the help.
Yep. Seeing this I’m really regretting I went back and forth between covenants so many times and I can’t be arsed with going back to Necro on my hands and knees. It’s tempting me to dust off my alt and make him Necro. It’s a Troll and not a Tauren, so not really optimal but shouldn’t make that much of a difference I guess.
In BG’s it depends on your team…for a good team I can get excess CP and SR is amazing, especially if I task myself with sitting on a healer pressuring them, but when it’s much of a faster rez and die cycle it’s just too much to worry about. It’s great for PVE. I keep switching back to soul though after disappointing teams or no healer teams
i dont plan on BG’ing on my feral. if i do want to jump into rbgs or something, ill switch to nightfae and go boomkin. no reason to bring a feral when you could bring a boomy
Well, historically this is the case, but now that feral is bringing a slow and an ms effect, you could argue that feral is a solid melee dps choice for rbgs now, also cyclone capping is a thing
i still dont think people would take a feral over a boomkin. boomkin just has literally everything you could possibly want in rbgs… high cleave damage, high single target burst, off heals, stealth, mobility, control, extremely good self sustain…
idk if yall have been doing games in this offseason, but that new thing that knocks players into the air? that is SO HECKIN STRONG in rbgs. its wild. oh my lanta.
The best counter to a boomkin…is my feral sitting on you like glue 
I have a counter to every control of yours. You need distance…you’re not getting it lmao It’s the same as sitting a resto or any other healer.
Until the team turns around and literally blows you up. By all means play feral if you want to play feral, but you aren’t sitting on anyone as a feral unless the other team is just afk. You don’t have the defensives like an arms warrior to sit on people.
This is nonsense, feral is hard as hell to down, even after the nerfs we have so many passive self healing and reductions, defensive cooldowns and frenzy regen in bear form.
This is proven out with the shear number of ferals all over the rbg leaderboards…
Don’t be daft.