If blizzard didn’t want me to roll on healer gear then maybe they shouldn’t have made it useful for me then. If we’re gonna be selfish while being in a pug why not take it to the extreme? Why is it you need to back peddle your previous statements and add a caveat? I have to be a healer to roll on healer gear, but it is useful to me regardless? Seems a bit of a contradiction m80.
there is no caveat, my whole argument is that there is no priority. there is class division though. if a piece of gear has primary stats on that would not be useful to you @ level one, than that gear isn’t for your archetype, you are being obtuse. and this whole thread is just a warrior being pissy they lost on SGC to someone they deemed inferior.
You just added a caveat. You said as long as it was useful to roll on it. Now you say well its gotta be useful from level 1. Its useful to me now, and these people are just pugs why should they expect any less? Should have reserved that second wind if they didn’t want a warrior rolling on it.
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BWL is out, soon zg, IMO warr should only roll need on plate if no leather or mail needs it as an upgrade. Old BiS lists mean crap now, if you can meet raid times no one should really care if you have BiS to run with the 2ND or 3Rd raid group. I’m a healer I don’t roll need on cloth unless they don’t need it, same should go for warrs.
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Healing gear helps with tanking as a Warrior, and helps with DPS in raids by lessening the burden on healers and allowing healers to DPS more.
As such, +Healing gear is actually main spec for Warriors. If you think everyone should have equal priority and gear is only divided by archetype, then Warriors have no reason NOT to take healer loot from healers.
Or, you can just admit some items are more useful for other classes and admit that, as a result, SGC is less useful on a Hunter than it is on a Warrior.
The old BiS lists are not changing with the implementation of ZG.
Aside from the neck, no BiS loot comes from ZG for Warrior.
You don’t seem to understand how itemization works in vanilla.
The armor type is irrelevant to your role. You only care about what increases your healing. The armor value is meaningless if you aren’t tanking or doing PvP.
The BiS list is supposed to exists for progressing through new content. MC was first cleared by sub 60s in greens. Only a noob players cares about BiS lists for a 15 year old game. If you can consistently make the raid times, BiS in every slot doesn’t matter. Getting the savage gladiator chest is cool, but it’s not worth running BRD 500 times for it. No 5 man content is worth grinding out for BiS. BiS is not required to clear any of the content out right now, just a pulse and making raid time.
This isn’t retail. You don’t just stop clearing the raid after the first clear. BiS is useful for more than just progression, otherwise people wouldn’t bother wearing their best gear for every raid; they’d only use it for the first one.
What you really mean is that some people in the group were sub-60, and people didn’t have full pre-raid BiS.
Go back and watch the world first clear. I guarantee you they weren’t all sub-60 in greens.
Says the level 55 arguing against wearing the best gear available. LOL
Considering you won’t replace it until Naxxramas, it’s probably worth several times that number of runs.
It can literally be soloed.
Hahaha, okay.
It’s not a matter of it being required. That’s such a stupid argument.
You anti-min/max people all spout this ridiculous non-argument. “It’s not required!” No one said it was.
We are obviously two different personality types when it comes to this game. I only do what I enjoy, grinding any 5 man content for one piece is not fun to me. Yes I am anti min/max because the fractional difference isn’t worth the grind because these are the most tuned down versions of all the raids. This is not pre nerf versions, it’s all the nerfs to make them as easy as possible for everyone to clear. BiS means absolutely nothing to clear any of the content as it is being released in classic. Having the best gear you can get while having fun, means more to me than stressing if i’m #1 on dps meters. Simply clearing the content and having fun is my goal.
I always find this to be really funny coming from people who aren’t 60 and haven’t cleared the raids.
That’s just objectively not true.
Your personal preferences and feelings are one thing, but saying that BiS means nothing is just flat out wrong. If you don’t think it’s worth it FOR YOU to farm gear, by all means, don’t farm gear, but don’t spew nonsense on the forums about how the best gear in the game doesn’t help.
this thread is a warrior being selfish… jesus.
If someone is in the run doing damage and helping you complete it, they have JUST as much right to it as you.
You LIKELY might have 8/8 tier 1 very quickly. There is no guarentee. I generally pass ALOT of items to warriors and rogues because they are better for them (im in a DKP guild), but this whole thread is incredibly selfish. Hes saying its NOT for hunters, when it clearly is.
Not really. The only people being selfish are the Hunters taking SGC over a Warrior.
If you were at all considerate towards others, you’d realize how much more useful it is for other people and pass on the item if they needed it.
It’s always really funny when people saying “I want the item because it’s good for me even though it’s better for you” then say that the person arguing in favor of logical gear distribution and loot etiquette is the one being selfish.
I think any sensible person can infer that he’s saying Hunters shouldn’t get it over Warriors because of how quickly they can replace it.
Can also read his replies throughout the thread detailing his thought process for why he believes this to be the case.
Honestly if its a guild run then you can decide who gets it first and keep running it. If its a PUG, then by all means, let the RNG decide. Your logic assumes the hunter is getting benefit by the warrior bringing more DPS. If there not in the raid with you, then that is false.
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you are purposefully misunderstanding “useful” but I’ve already defined it. healing gear isn’t useful for tanking or dpsing, those are your roles as a warrior.
it helps with neither of those things, it doesn’t increase your threat or dps. also if you need your healers to DPS, you’ve got bigger issues.
They are incapable of seeing grey, dont bother.
Ok, let’s take your argument and apply it to hunters.
If blizzard didn’t want to make near every piece of gear useful for me on my hunter.
A hunter can use every stat to a benifit except +shadow/holy damage (and even those if you use specific weapons / enchants can be “useful”)
So then, everything is a hunter item and warriors have no business rolling on hunter loot.
This means only hunters get gear.
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i think any sensible person can realize while it is for warriors first, hes still being selfish.
hunter is in the grp? he has just as much right. he put in the work too… thinking anything else is just asinine.
Especially when you consider for the rest of the game hunters get absolutely dicked on with loot
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I believe the original point the other person made was “If it is useful roll on it” So it isn’t a matter of me saying it is warrior gear or hunter gear, only that it is useful for me ergo I can roll on it.
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SGC is bis until AQ (Arguably) and Naxx where it can finally be replaced and a hunter replaces SGC in MC with their tier set. I mean if you wanna talk about getting dicked on with loot should see my bis list.
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What if a hunter has no interest in raiding and only runs 5-mans? You going to demand his BiS because of role rank?
What if he presses need on it anyways? You gonna stop him?
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