This is the winning description for the day, by the way. Had to point that out. Anyway, carry on, :3
Also this.
This is a good series of discussion, I can almost hear it in their voices (and the one I made up for Dreven in my head, of course). It captures both of their personalities well, and fleshes out Dreven more too.
This would make me so happy to see. Argh, the more we talk about it, the more I hope for it to be reality. I really hope Blizz is actually looking at our feedback, especially with the work you put in to put all of this together.
I love this bit too haha, humorous and shows more of his personality I’m gonna bookmark this thread too for reference, this is a very important well thought out one.
Yeah I read through it and really enjoy it. This captures something well that many people just forget conveniently about the San’layn. They died trying to avenge their city and save it by traveling to Northrend. Devout to their people, they gave their lives in that snowy desert and surely as intelligent undead would hold the same loyalty as before, but perhaps with somewhat twisted ways, as we’ve seen from time to time. It would be up to the individual to make these choices.
This can totally piss her off, and very importantly? It also establishes further something we need. That’s more show of the undead being unhappy with her actions. This will put a divide in the intelligent undead, and we have only seen that with Lillian. Reasonably, a lot of undead should be absolutely pissed at the denial of free will. With what Dreven says, it makes perfect sense. It’s why my toons hate her so much. Nevermind her destroying any hope of the undead not being looked upon negatively–but upon finding out that she wanted to deny someone of free will, regardless? Absolutely rabid.
Dreven serves ultimately as Sylvanas’ foil. She wanted the San’layn for her. To be her “people.” But actually getting the San’layn?
Dreven: I have been a part of the Horde for only a few days at best, and I understand it much more than you ever have in your “lifetime.” I even know names of different citizens, who welcomed me with open arms. Did you ever accomplish this, warchief? Did you know those people that got blighted had family? Friends? I’m surprised we’re not all part of your undead army at this point. It must drive you crazy to just be so SPITEFUL at all of us. At least I remember that I am a leader, as did the other Horde leaders!
A bit of a double-edged sword. Whats Sylvanas going to do? Turn into a banshee?
Dreven: Hahaha! Excellent! You are pissed off beyond belief! Let it be known that it was Blood Prince Dreven that finally broke the Banshee Queen! Well? What are you waiting for, go ahead. You want to end me, don’t you? End all of your problems, all of your frusteration, just so you can play god-emperor. But I warn you, dear Warchief, that if I die…so too shall your reign.
So in thinking about the allied race unlock questline, although I haven’t fully thought of it completely, there are a few things that should be in it:
Lor’themar should be the one to start the questline. Liadrin did recruit the Nightborne, but in this scenario, Dreven and his San’layn posse would go back to Silvermoon at some point, wanting to learn more of what has happened with Silvermoon. They would hit it off very well.
The questline should involve the Alliance making a push across the Ghostlands and Eversong Forest and by ship. They want to remove the Horde off the Eastern Kingdoms. This can lead into the warfront rumored to be there, but this also shows how loyal the San’layn would be to earn their trust with the Horde members and how valuable they would be as allies.
Part of the questline involves Sylvanas planning to blight Silvermoon if it becomes overrun with Alliance. This makes the battle even more tense, shows that the San’layn and everyone involve keep fighting to prevent it, and adds more to Sylvanas becoming Looney Tunes. The San’layn even more than ever, once they join the Horde, have a good reason to help a coup if one happens.
Every Horde race should be represented in some way, including new ones. Nightborne especially need to be there. If Vulpera have joined, have them led by Nisha in the attack as they help scavage items, with even a quest to collect items for them. If Gilgoblins have joined, have them assist at beaches to attack Alliance ships or in water areas in Ghostlands as an ambush. This also goes for the Alliance. If Mechagnomes have joined, have them as mooks you fight and tie in that they don’t have blood.
At the end of it, all the leaders support the San’layn, which is a reason Sylvanas induct them into the Horde, even if she might start to be dubious about it with Dreven’s attitude. After that, he can act the way I had him the last few times just to act as her foil.
I still think before this, there needs to be a meeting of sorts to find where all the San’layn currently are in Northrend, but I honestly will admit I’m not currently qualified to work out the details.
Also, I want to say that I hope that I am not stepping on your toes, Fallynn, as I realize that a lot of work has been done by you, and I know you mentioned thinking about making a video with your own ideas for questlines, and as such I don’t want to upstage you if you had ideas of your own.
In the future, I may try to flesh out the allied race unlock questline whenever I can. This Greek Art and Archaeology term paper is, sadly, not going to type itself up. x_x
Don’t say this silly! Am responding only to this bit for now, because I like sitting and thinking a bit about the important chunks and delay a while because of it (it’s why you’ll see me like but won’t get a solid response for a while). I think your ideas are wonderful and anyone here should be able to come up with them. All ideas are usually good ones, and there’s no primary idea holder, haha. I’m just the gal that slapped the thread together, everyone else is relied upon just as much with their ideas too ^^ I appreciate and love it.
I think there needs to be some sort of button pushing by a character at some point, that brings up a ranger fighting to defend her homeland aganist invaders only be to killed by a monster and raised into undeath…then a comment like then that monster sat fire to her home, Teldrassil, or something to flip it on Sylvanas, maybe she’s unaware how much like Arthas she was in that instance. It’s a really weird situation with how much she hated him, and now she’s done to another, what she hated him for.
Maybe that could be why he’s poking the bear so much…he sees Arthas, and perhaps hated him.
Lor’themar: Why do you keep antagonizing her? You know what she is capable of doing, right?
Dreven: I know very well, but I suppose part of me just hopes that somewhere in there, our ranger-general hero exists. Either I hope that she realizes the path she is heading, or…
Lor’themar: Or…?
Dreven: …or we have truly lost her, and we’ll be needing a new warchief soon.
I love your ideas here though and read through them. Basically I think indeed it’s important to show that they aren’t just puppets of Sylvanas. Reasonably they would be upset at how twisted she has become because it would remind them of Arthas. I have an idea for where the remaining San’layn can be.
Underground of Northrend. We encountered a Blood Prince in Anhket the old Kingdom, where we cleared the area of bugs. That’s gone untouched for over a decade…
Naxxanar. On this thread people have expressed interest in having a horde necropolis, and the biggest concentration of San’layn besides ICC was that area. It’s where we first off Valanar.
Also… The blood orb that rezzed the three princes by Lana’thel has yet to be mentioned or found. We were desperate and rushed through ICC. Hmmm… Devil is in the details
I suppose another question to ask is if the new Lich King factors into any of this. I’m guessing not, since the San’layn group in BfA was trying to join the Horde, and if they were freed forever after Arthas died, then they would be extremely dubious to Bolvar being around. Based on some interactions in the Vol’Jin questline, Bolvar may not be as benevolent as people thought he would be with the scourge.
Continuing on from the “poking to bear” reply I made awhile ago:
Lor’themar: Indeed, but what of your people? Our people? You know she would likely just condemn all of you, right?
Dreven: Not a moment goes by where I stop thinking about my people, and that is precisely why I do what I do. You see, we San’layn were slaves for such a long time, that we would rather fight than just submit to another Lich King. Were something to happen to me, my people would know, and she would know soon thereafter the blunder of her mistake. Besides, after jailing that Tauren leader, do you think she would just continue to silence us so?
Lor’themar: I…honestly don’t know what to expect with her.
Dreven: Precisely. Tell me, what if you end up as Baine did? Or what if you send your people into battle, only to have her blight all of them to get at the enemy? Friends, family, just gone. In an instant.
Lor’themar: I…I think I understand your reasoning better.
Dreven: There is one thing, since we are discussing this. If we ever have the need to dethrone her…and were something to happen to me…I ask that you help watch over my people. Help make sure that they are taken care of. We…have been through so much and…
Lor’themar: Your people are ours. You have done much for Silvermoon, both in life and in death. All of you have a place here.
Dreven: …it feels good to hear the warmth in your voice. Thank you, Reagent Lord.
This is just showing another side of Dreven. Yes, he can be snarky, towards Sylvanas specifically, but he is someone who is a ruler and wants to make sure his people have a place. It’s important to show that he isn’t one-note and has emotions.
So I’m reading the “Before The Storm” novel I got as one of my birthday presents in March, and it has been a fun read so far. I mention this because it does show Sylvanas being nuttier than squirrel droppings.
Without spoiling anything, shes pretty hellbent on wanting the Forsaken to continue increasing in numbers, wanting to decimate Stormwind and turn everyone there into her zombies, and seems so full of herself being a “ruler” of them all. This is also been shown in game as of late in various forms.
It’s a lot of why I was inspired to give Dreven the personality I gave him in my scenario, and I really think that it is key to play on that for the San’layn to become an allied race. It’ll make things more interesting, and maybe even get people to see past the “no more elves!” argument.
I for one want them to just drive her batty as members of the Horde. :V
I agree. Your ideas are excellent and I hope they’re taken seriously. Simply brilliant, and I’m honored that you put so much work into thinking about this. The story and development is really well thought out and a nice refreshing story that I feel the lore desperately needs right now.
They are pretty much dead. With Blood Prince Dreven death it was said their threat was eliminated. If you want vampires, wait for Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2. They aren’t elves BUT there are the Kiyasd, which are fae/vampires. Not that you will be able to play one as they are rare as hell, and Sabbat, BUT they at least exist…
pretty sure dreven was just an envoy sent to establish relations with the horde in zandalar. stopping him and his entourage this attempt definitely wasnt the last of the san’layn
these guys are gonna be so much fun when they finally become a horde AR!
I’m gonna bookmark this thread too for reference, this is a very important well thought out one.