I feel like I missed an opportunity for a pun there.
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If vamp elves ever become playable, I’ll definitely roll one.
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Thanks! I put in a lot of effort with things like this, even if they’re small. Otherwise, to me, why bother, you know?
I honestly thought you made an intentional pun.
Also, who’s excited for Castlevania, the next season on Netflix, to come out? I’m looking forward to it so much. I LOVE the series, and the way vampires are depicted in it are awesome.
I used to put effort. But Blizzard never lives up to my expectations anymore.
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I think the idea of “holy undead” (I’m not gonna call them Lightforged, for now) could have potential to be interesting and cool if done in a way I would like them to be done.
For one thing, I think the idea of a Light-themed race with more of a gothic or spooky atmosphere to them would be a unique thing, as opposed to the oddly alien theme of the Draenei or the more traditional themes of the Humans and Dwarves.
We also tend to think pretty things when we think of the Christian and Catholic stuff that inspires the theme of the Light in WoW, but I would remind that there’s plenty of macabre and gothic themes in old biblical art and literature too. I could see the Holy Undead taking inspiration from those and practices of people in ancient Egypt too, they could make amazing holy sanctums made purely out of bones (called ossuaries here in the real world) and could take the holy rites of the dead to a whole other level compared to the other Light races.
Some examples of how I’d like their architecture design could look here:
https://imgur.com/a/ii6KjQt
Lots of gold and majestic tone, but still no less eerie and a bit unsettling as reminders of death naturally would be.
Overall though, I’m surprisingly receptive to the idea of them, but it really depends on how they’d turn out. I’m not too fond of Calia being the blueprint as I think she looks more like a glowing human than an undead touched by the Light, instead I would imagine they’d look a bit like Forsaken but perhaps slightly more healed, yet still retaining certain disfigurements as they’re not as fully healed as their queen. I don’t think their light-infusion should be the exact same as Draenei either, it should be handled in a much different manner because of how different they are from Draenei by their very nature.
Calia is almost certainly going to be the new forsaken leader.
But “light forged undead” won’t be a thing. Calia’s entire thing was that she WANTED to be forsaken when she was resurrected, so she came back as one when she should have been properly resurrected.
Forsaken of the light beyond this are almost certainly impossible and would be exceedingly unlikely.
Always in support of more playable races be they Core or Allied.
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The 16-year-old goth in me is screaming for this right now.
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Embrace the goth! I’m still goth and I’m 23 
Prolly doesn’t come as much of a surprise, of course.
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I could have made it waaaaaaay better!
Uh, duh!
I just need Gdubs to release the Soulblight battle tome.
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I do miss it sometimes. The style is so much fun. I’m just so lazy! If I can get away with pajamas all day you know I’m gonna. Not to mention everyday use of makeup, even just eyeliner, irritates my skin to acne breakouts.
Aging is fun.
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Yeah fair enough, I usually only wear eyeliner anyway. On occasion though, lipstick is fun. Difficult to maintain every day, especially if I wanna work in science, though. And yeah the everyday use of makeup can get to be much.
On the other matter though, I’m not a fan of Lightforged undead and if people enjoy the idea, I encourage discussion in a thread related to it. I think in a thread unrelated to that race, we’ve talked about it enough and would rather focus on San’layn and the blood curse. LFU are something I’m just not interested in and won’t be happy with. If we get them and San’layn at the same time, fine, but I still won’t ever roll one. I’m way more interested in vampire lore and necromancy that doesn’t have anything to do with ‘holy’ or ‘the light’. If I did, I’d be playing Lightforged Draenei, which fulfills that fantasy pretty well.
Therefore, I’d like to bring the topic back around to what is relevant. Here’s things we could talk about right now:
- The blood curse and its origin, could it be via Ghuun or something else? We know it’s ancient and that the Vrykul had it first.
- Vampires: Could the hype behind Bloodlines 2 and the New Castlevania season increase the chances of seeing playable vampires in the foreseeable future?
- Do you think the devs are interested in expanding vampyr and blood curse lore at all, and would that be due to interest shown by the community or purely because their own ideas? Could be a combination of both.
- Have community lore and ideas inspired things in the game before to a great degree like we’re attempting with allied race discussions?
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I’ve been doing to alliance war campaign and I’m so disappointed the horde didn’t interact with the Sanlayn in Nazmir. They’re so vicious to the night elf sentinels! I think they got put on the back burner because we’re not getting them in the next batch of AR (let’s be honest with ourselves) but having something as simple as stranded individuals in Nazmir studying the trolls can be enough for sanlayn. And it was 90% of the belf population that died so plenty to pull from.
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Yeah true that, the lack of interaction between the Horde character and San’layn at all isn’t the most promising of things in the world. And yeah, with absolutely no model update nor continuation of the story for them since 8.0, I agree that it’s doubtful we’ll see them in the next batch.
On the brightside, Blizzard does have more than a year of discussion to pull from (some bits more productive than others) if they ever want to consider the ideas we present, so there’s that.
And yeah, you’re right–stranded individuals in Nazmir could be prowling about, not to mention we still have no idea where Dreven and his crew even came from. Was it the two missing blood princes or another source? That’s what I wish happened. That, and the full story of how they managed to approach Sylvanas.
Yeah, sylvanas not being the pragmatic opportunistic warchief anymore isn’t a good sign either. I think the biggest thing that’s going to get us sanlayn or at least some spooky customization for belves is going to be threads like these. Or if they even go back to Northrend.
I just want to thank you for being the blood queen 
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perhaps if they made a 3rd faction composed of undead races, then san’layn would qualify as the prettier side of the undead. could have
undead races - undead, dark rangers?, san’layn?
nature races - tauren, elves, trolls, vulpera?
tech races - gnomes, goblins, draenei, mechagnomes?
home and hearth races - humans, orcs, dwarves, pandarens, kul’tirans
cursed races - worgen, naga? (these guys would, by necessity, be the enemies of the undead faction), any other ideas?
A lot of people are fans of worgen night elves.
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If the rumors end being true, that future Allied Races, will simply be character customization options of their parent races, I suppose I can expect San’layn to be added as part of Forsaken, or Blood Elf. High Elf would be paired up with Void Elf, and so-on-and-so-forth.
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Wouldn’t that be the Nathrezim?
The Nathrezim are definitely designed to be the original vampires of WoW lore. Everything from their attire, to their fangs, to their wings, and the fact that they are known to literally drain the life energy of mortals around them for sustenance blends together to establish the earliest known vampire analogues in the series.
That being said, despite literally being vampires, the one thing the Nathrezim didn’t do was create more vampires. They were responsible for the earliest experiments involving the undead, eventually paving the way for the creation of the Scourge. However, as far as I can tell there isn’t anything in the lore that states that being in contact with the Nathrezim is enough to bestow vampiric tendencies. Vampirism as a contagion didn’t exist in WoW lore until the creation of the San’layn, but the vampiric Vrykul in Stormheim did indeed reveal that Arthas wasn’t the inventor of such a condition.
It’s also relevant to note that “blood-curse” as a term is freely utilized by the orcs to refer to any curse that binds them to a demon through blood. E.g. the orcs that made the pact with Mannoroth and consumed his blood are considered “blood-cursed.” These days it is typically used to refer only to orcs with visible signs of corruption (beyond the typical green pigment of the Orgrimmar orcs, as they consider themselves to have been “freed”), such as the fel orcs and the Iron Horde after Gul’dan took it over.
While this isn’t conclusive, if the term “blood-curse” is still utilized with overt vampires like San’layn and Vrykul, this might be a slight hint that the curse is demonic in origin. Which, ironically, could mean that it originates from or has at least greatly characterized the Nathrezim, although there is no definitive lore that states they were the ones that created it.
TL;DR, Vampires are cool to think about, especially the nathrezim.
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