San’layn/vampyr Elf ALLIED RACE Coagulated Megathread of Ideas{Re-VAMPed} (Part 1)

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

@Velaethia-nazgrel

That doesn’t have anything to do with the average Quel’thalas citizen reacting to a random undead they encountered

Before BEs became aware of Forsaken they wouldn’t have a frame of reference for undead not aligned w the Scourge I agree.

But weren’t the Forsaken also carving out their own area and also fighting the scourge in their zones at the time BEs would have been fighting to reclaim their zones from the Scourge. In other words they were busy as well and I am unsure if they were just wandering the woods or randomly encountered like you put it, on average prior to Forsaken sending help to Quel’thalas the undead wandering the woods / being encountered would have been Scourge.

@Velaethia-nazgrel

but we have no reason to believe some undead thallasians didn’t try to rejoin Quel’thalas before declaring themselves forsaken.

I wasn’t under the impression there was a Quel’thalas for them to try to rejoin at that point, wouldn’t they have just assumed their homeland was in ruin / they were Forsaken in that regard?

Humans seemed to have survivors (Southshore?) and or fled to other kingdoms, but on average Elves as a race were almost wiped out.

@Velaethia-nazgrel

not all of them were super fond of the idea

I understand the skepticism after almost being wiped out by the undead. My only point is that they still saw the bigger picture and were willing to trust the Forsaken as opposed to how humans reacted which was to reject Forsaken relations.

I agree w you BEs had good reason to be skeptical at first and uneasy because their only frame of reference for undead would have been the scourge, but I object that they had the same reaction as humans who reacted harshly and negatively to them.

@Velaethia-nazgrel

Why would the undead elves call themselves forsaken

I mean it seems entirely possible they thought their race was wiped out / also felt they couldn’t go back.

At the exact moment in time Sylvanas created the term Forsaken what did they know of what happened to any survivors or if there was any? There home was destroyed and their entire population wiped out possibly or thought to be seems valid to feel Forsaken in that context. The term Forsaken was also created before anyone tried to reach out to Humans too wasn’t it? So they identified w the name before the event that saw them being rejected / shunned from humans?

@Velaethia-nazgrel

I agree. I’m forced to make several inferences in order for it to make sense. If you take everything at absolute face value than yeah it becomes nonsensical but that’s because blizzard doesn’t tell us most of the lore they just imply and suggest it.

I just think in Silvermoons case it was quite literally wiped out until it was reclaimed by the survivors and I’m not sure if it’s said if prior to the survivors being able to re establish any sense of foothold or security if they were even aware of the Forsaken, if they weren’t which I’m assuming since like you said so many BEs seem shocked to see undead helping them in Ghostlands I would assume that their first contact / reaching out is when we also see them accepting Forsaken help.

In which case if that’s so I just feel the line is a bit odd overall