Sad truth about the WoW Community

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Recently over Twitter and across Twitch i have been hearing nonstop bad takes on Ret Paladins and even some Ret Paladins themselves.

Ret Paladin has been in a weird spot in past expansions and has in the past seen a decline in choice for mains. For the last few expansions Warlock, Rogues ect. Have been plavor of whole expansions and there was outcry here and there but nothing like Ret currently. Rets have been bottom of the barrel for a WHILE with the exception of a few patches where we were overperforming which was quickly nerfed. For my own personal bias Warlocks have been disgustingly overpowered for a while due to their abundance of tankiness. They have mobility, CC and a huge amount of survivability. You can have 2 people dump CDs into them and they live.

I havent seen or heard nearly as much rage towards the lock community when they deserve it more than the Ret community. Its disgusting.

Something i noticed as well and correct me if im wrong, the ret community has only been complining about the state of our class and not the state of other classes. We have never had the tools to deal with any other class, it wasnt a skill gap, it was the spec itself and we didnt complain about how Rogue/Mage has been top of the ladder since the dawn of time, we just wanted to see something different with our class. To see out class being normalized to the point where if someone saw you in the que they would pick you because you can bring something to the table. Now that we have that people are completely losing their minds because its like the sibling who got a car for chistmas and you got a GI Joe.

Youre all mad because we got something you dont, something new and fun to play with. The amount of crying coming from these other communities and the amount of pressure you thrownat the dev teams because god forbid something is better than your class. Do like rets have been doing for the last few years, reroll.

Anither reason for the crying, fornso long people have seen paladin and said “oh look its a paladin lol”. They wrre able to turn their brains off and just demolish us most of the time and now its “sigh oh crap, its a paladin”. Now they have to actually sit up in their chairs, wipe the crumbs off their shirts and need some skill to deal with us.

Ive been playing paladin since classic and the changes and the additions to this spec feel amazing and its scary because when you finally get aomething you enjoy and to see the whole world want to see you burn because youre having fun and theyre not is sad.

Im sure rets will get a few more nerfs even though they shouldn’t, but please get off our necks, let us enjoy the spotlight for a little. Because alot of you have been in the spotlight for a long time and dont want to see anyone else shine.

That is all, much love.

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It simply comes down to people don’t cry about those classes because they’re used to them being overpowered. To the point its normal and balanced for those classes to be so now. So they’ve learnt as best they can in how fight against them. On the other hand, those who play the overpowered ones general haven’t bothered to learn to fight against the others. And why would they, because you learn nothing of how to improve from winning.

Ultimately when you’ve been overpowered for so long, you’ll see balance as either nerfing you or overpowering another.

So for ret it hasn’t been overpowered for so long like these others have. Most of the time its either lol ret or just mediocre. People are use to that and see that as balanced. Any changes to increase is lol ret or just mediocre state are going to be see as overpowering.

But I have to say the number one biggest problem for ret throughout much of it exists, is its a spec that can beat low talent players if played well. Which are the majority of players. Those of higher talent just /lol and counter it rather easily(.Which for them was the norm, and therefore must be balanced. Because for them surely its their skill and not the fact its /lol is to why they win) Now that its no longer just simply /lol easily countered. Well as you can see the uproar becomes huge. As low talent players get stomped because they still don’t learn to counter. And then higher talent players then also cry foul as it no longer /lol. Thus appearing to them as now being overpowered.

This is mainly because of Blizzards annoying problem of constantly putting nearly all of rets damage into its dps Cooldowns and bugger all damage outside them. Which means if you don’t or can’t use a counter during, you get annihilated. But you do and can counter, well its not problem. So when it goes from /lol to counter to you gotta be on your game. Its immediately going to seen as stupidly overpowered.
The trick is to make not so devastatingly punishing if not countered. But to also make it not so /lol to counter all the time.

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Very similar to my thoughts in yet another “nerf Ret” rant.

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People are just exhausted about talking about the OPness of other specs. People were talking about DH, and Demo Lock for a long time. People are burned out, and you can only make so many video’s about a spec being OP.

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What i’ve seen recently on wowhead for instance, it’s the burning crusade trend that is back called: the hybrid tax.

People are using arguments like: if a class can heal, and tank, the dps shouldn’t be higher than a “pure” dps like hunters for instance.

So the general hate comes from paladins having bubbles, healing, and are doing a lot of dps, even tho the same people doesnt care when the same old classes are topping everything, guess they like seeing MDIs and Arena Championships with always the same classes.

When rets get strong, they cry, on pvp cause ret is not a freelo anymore, and on pve cause they hate paladins, there was even a dude on wowhead saying that he would rather have a mage doing less dps than the tank, and breaking the key, instead of having a ret topping the meters and doing +2… thats the kind of people we are dealing here.

The worst thing of all, that this kind of attitude, would be expected on games like League of Legends, cause the community is toxic and they have a lot of kids that use stupid arguments that a broken champion killed them, therefore that champion is op and should be nerfed…Do you see the similarities? Yeah me too.

On wow since its a older game, and not many new players are starting the game, and probably we don’t really have real kids here, the manchilds are taking over with they cries for blizzard, cause they KNOW that blizzard listen to their cries, and thats so freaking bad, i couldn’t even remember the last time rets topped anything, and when we do, we get nerfed couple of days after (tbh not a big nerf on dmg but what a timing amirite?)

Some people feel its humilating to be outdps by a “easy” spec, since they think ret is just wings and 500k dps, or one shot in arenas, and of course, cause a spec is strong, there will be a lot of FOTM rerolling, its normal, but when its ret, its the end of the world, nobody complained about 1 million op demon hunters dominating every kind of content on legion, but ret gets a rework, everyone goes crazy…sad

Being a 13/14 year ret paladin main, i still fail to understand the reasoning of some people, and the blizzard balancing team, there were so many specs there dominated the scene for such a long time, and even times when rogues had 3 specs there were like top dps in every content, but rets, rets can be op for 1 week, then we go back to where we belong.

If blizzard would actually not compromise and would filter the hate comments from the good feedback, they wouldnt do things like this on such a perfect timing, nobody cares about the end of a patch, so many messed up stuff happened before, and they just let it slide, but when its about ret paladins, they probably have like a red alert that sounds loudly for every single time some people complain about the spec

If the community would unite to ask for weak classes to be strong, instead of nerfing a spec that been shafted for so long, maybe blizzard would do something different, but they prefer to bully one spec that has been overshadowed in so many expansions…

Anyway, we just have to swallow, and expect that there isnt more to come, our tier set is not looking that great, but the rework is great, and it’s really fun to play ret now, so yeah, overall its a W, at least for now.

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There is an irrational hatred toward Ret paladin mains from the developers and playerbase going all the way back. Part of it is that Retribution wasn’t a real spec until avenging wrath was created in BC. Before that, they were blessing bots on very specific fights. When ever Ret paladin became good at anything, instant rage followed by a ghostcrawler post came. “At least you get Ashbringer” type crap. The playerbase wants us to be holy cheerleaders waving golden pom poms and cheering for them as they kill everything. Seems irrational at first glance, but then you begin to notice the community is only happy with mage/rogue/warrior/warlock dominance. If hunter is any good. Omg nerf its a kids spec. If demon hunter is good omg nerf it an EZ spec. However, overpowered nonsense like Nyalotha Fire Mage is allowed to exist for an entire tier.

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There is also a big misunderstanding and also a influx of people with low braincell count.

If a Mage is complaining about a Ret healing too much, well buddy its probably because you dont have any heal reduction.

You dont see Warriors complaining about Paladin healing.
You dont see Priest complaining about Paladin Bubble being an issue.
You dont see ANYONE talk about how Paladins are too mobile.

Its a huge problem with the simple skill of the player. Paladins have classes STILL that counter us like no other. Thats how it works for other classes as well, but people want to be the best and have it be easy and thats just not how it is, unless youre playing certain classes. Like for a hugh rated rogue to be OP its pretty much deserved, that class requires a HIGH skill cap so i dont mind them being “OP”.

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Lol you mean the class that disappears and hides in arena while spamming crimson vial until dampening sets in? Then stun locks their opponent? Yea…high skill cap indeed!

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unholy dks were always like tanky juggernauts with their thousand defensives, millions of pets, healing and such

we get tankier as a plate class that had pretty much no effective defensives or mitigations, everyone goes crazy… hahahaha this community is a joke

ret is not freelo anymore? NERF NERF NERF, i play RMP and i can’t blow up ret anymore! ret op!!! they can heal, cc and DPS!!! ghostcrawler daddy, help me plz lol

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Yes i agree that playstyle isnt very skillful but when they arnt doing that, having to track DR on Sap, Kidney, Blind ect. On 3 different targets, the main thing with rogues is utilizing their huge CC pool to allow your team to engage, kill, or disengaged. Doing that on top of trying to kill a target, not get killed. Not overlap CC is a very challenging thing in higher rated PvP content.

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My comment was mostly tongue in cheek. A good rogue in rbgs are to be feared and respected. They can almost single handedly turn the tide in AV and it isnt easy either.

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I just don’t understand how anyone can complain about PVE Ret, Destruction Warlock was ABSOLUTELY bonkers busted for 2 tiers of content and anyone barely cried and that’s just the most recent example.

If you are nerfing Ret for PVP then do PVP only nerfs, I can get behind the Judgments of the Pure problems, but that’s about it, I don’t think Rets overall damage in PVP is OP, it’s just the FV+DA+DS combo that is taking people by surprise. Start by spreading that damage out, instead of DA 25 stacks for 75k, make it 5 stacks for 15k, now someone isn’t getting slapped, same with the DS combo, instead of stacking for 20s for 50%, stack 10s for 25%, now the damage is consistent rather than burst and if it’s too much, start reducing the damage it does.

Survivability in PVE or PVP shouldn’t have been touched, it’s about time for Ret to be a juggernaut because it SUPPOSED TO BE.

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Bravo!!! You summed it up perfectly

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Hate to say this, but it’s the same story with Disc Priest. I play both ret and disc, people cry foul for these two, yet are perfectly fine with other classes OP. This wouldn’t be to big of a problem if Bliz focused and worked on balance better. Feel sorry for ret, because it was short lived. Why Bliz can’t fix the true OP classes I will never understand.

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Too much hate for paladins in the game. The recent nerf feels bad and the negativity other players have for Ret paladins makes the game not worth playing. For the first time I cringe when I think about playing WoW. This game has hit a new low, and it is a shame. You missed the ball on this one Blizzard. If you were thinking about being a holy warrior in a MMORPG your better off skipping WoW. Good luck to you all.

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Bro, I rerolled to this and can say first hand it was insane. The stuff this class was able to do was beyond reasoning. It wasn’t a matter of if this was gonna get nerfed, but when.

I had fun bursting dudes through their defensives in blues too, but there’s no way that was gonna last. :joy:

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whether you like it or not playing a rogue at max potential is alot harder than playing ret. So yea the skillcap is higher.

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Yea…i stated that in a later post.

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my bad i couldve read a little more. Was a rogue main for years and you are correct. One class that can hard carry in rbgs.

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thats exactly my point, theres never been this much rage towards a single given class like their is towards ret pallies. towards the end of last xp, holy pallies got screwed over because other hps classes were whining that they were topping the charts. a druid is a support class, no different then a pally and they didnt get nerfed. bots use them to farm like crazy and its perfectly fine. people just hate pallies and have hated pallies since the dawn of the game. blizzard needs to fine tune them and not be drastic, just because people are complaining about them. it took ages for warlocks to get nerfed when they were op.

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