Sad how dead arena is

Exactly, the people who had a difficult time in LFG overall I just feel are probably not being honest with themselves about why those attempts failed.

They probably tried over and over only to que with people above their own experience and never once with similar or lower than their own.

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This is not a thing.

This is also not a thing?!

You’re combining disc and holy together and neither has infinite mana or 10 million shields XD

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:yawning_face: Stop splitting hairs Nas.

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Very much This. I understand and sometimes appreciate the convenience of being able to just Queue. I also recognize that it brought a lot of players to pvp as an environment and I think it’s good for the game for that reason.

However, there are VERY real negative side effects of this, namely that toxicity goes up when solo queue is enabled.

Riot did a whole study with league and they found out that there’s significantly more toxicity in solo queue than flex or premade modes and toxicity is significantly more common the more lower rated you are.

I feel like wow is very much the same way and people would rather blame an excuse like boosters or deflation or XYZ balance or sweaty tryhards etc than just admit that they’re playing bad and need to improve.

^100%
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve also had some negative lfg experiences, but at the end of the day those are people I wouldn’t want to play with anyways and I’m perfectly okay NOT playing with them. The vast majority of my lfg interactions have been positive or at the very least neutral, and this is with just the barest modicum of human decency and effort required from me XD

I’m not saying everyone of my lfg experiences was rainbows and unicorns, but I still have several of them on my btag even now.

Too many these days just don’t have the ability of introspection to figure out why they couldn’t succeed.

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Game is done, try again with Midnight xpac

Pvp too hard, too much knowledge about specs, macros, add-ons, people can go so much further in pve without knowing the abilities of other specs, I didn’t even know I could macro my fear until some glad player told me lol

This is what we call offloading responsibility onto other players (tanks/healers)

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RSS players are all the casual who used to do 2s for cap in lfg, the random bg players, the wpvpers. They never were part of the 3s bracket.

Be patient it will happen.

I don’t understand why people like you & Christtel are so insistent 2s/3s die; do you not like playing with friends?

Would you rather just WoW be a solo player game like Skyrim where you don’t interact with anybody? It’s an MMO & it’s getting ridiculous.

I like playing with my friends, I like doing arena with them regardless of some of them being multi-glads while others being 1400 players.

That is what WoW is about, solo/blitz pretty much bottleneck you into solo play that is super boring; you can’t play with friends in those modes.

I think you’ll see the opposite, if 2s/3s die or go away the PvP aspect of this game will go with it.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Okay, then play 3s. No one is stopping you.

I personally think the PvP community did it to itself by gatekeeping rewards with their 15 year old cliques. Most people just want to play the game and not have to deal with politics and networking. It has nothing to do with turning the game into a single player. Not sure why you constantly repeat this.

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That’s not what I’m saying.

I’m talking about your constant hoping for 3s to die out, stop being illiterate.

Again, what was stopping you from finding like minded people?

I have no control over that. Maybe you should re read the part where I said the community did it to itself.

I am just one person buddy. Many people feel this way. Your problem is with the issue, I’m only explaining to you what is happening.

Nobody was gatekeeping you but yourselves.

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You’re going on a tangent.

Can’t win argument so deflect
Gj being ignorant, Swole.

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Meh i think bg blitz / ss helped slow down arena participation, but i think the big killer is toxicity.

Sounds like a you problem. 3s is dying and it has nothing to do with me. It’s because of the community and a change in time. If an old dinosaur like you can’t adapt, then you’ll just go extinct.

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I didn’t say anything about 3s dying being your fault, I said it was dumb to keep hoping for it to die.

Nobody will stick around just to do shuffle/blitz.

Again, stop being illiterate.

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