Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processor with AMD 3D V-Cache™ Technology Pricing and Availability

there is no argument (no one here brought up anything about RAM timing but him), he agreed with what I stated previously (see post #48 when I yet again stated he’s not arguing a point with me). The disagreement is simply he stated he had benchmarks of CPUs that were unreleased and I stated you can’t have benchmarks of something that is not out yet for anyone to benchmark. Can you make an educated assumption? Sure but he dug in saying he “had the hardware”.

This thread topic is about Ryzen 7K. The link provided was about Ryzen 7K scaling with RAM timings. I’m hoping you’re trolling for the lolz.

You’re right on this one. When a person has their mind set on what is right instead of trying to learn there is no helping the blind. Putting Lilybugg on my ignore list.

My comment had nothing to do with what they said. It had to do with your comments. You have to admit you do kind of sit on a high horse a lot. But its ok. We still love you. Its part of your charm. :heartpulse:

I was just picking on you. I was being snarky just to be snarky :wink:

That my rule with my husband. Use it everyday :rofl: :ok_hand:

Less is more

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as usual you missed the entire point, I didn’t bring up any questions about RAM timing. In fact I have made little mention of the CPUs in general, yet you decided to reply to me about RAM timing rather than make a general post about it simply stating here is a link about “Ryzen 7K scaling with RAM timings” if anyone wants to know more about it. As if you think we are having some sort of argument about this. That is trolling. That is pathetic.

thanks for the love but like I said before there really is no “argument” over performance. Just how can they state"Some of us actually have the hardware and can test directly instead of your random brattling" when the hardware is yet to be released? That’s it, nothing more nothing less.

I think they were referencing the 5800X3D. There’s been a lot of anecdotal evidence by forum posters here showing the cache does indeed make a difference in this game; it’s not that much of a stretch to presume there will also be gains on the 7000 series X3D chips.

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My snarky comment was not directed toward you. Please don’t think as such.

I tried my best to answer the person’s questions but if he chooses to ignore answers and wants them from TPU (who don’t play the game) then he should ask TPU for data instead of us.

TPU has a lot of data but they have some odd choices. At some point it feels like there may be shenanigans at play. For example when Ryzen 5000 came out, even though they tested lower resolutions, they used a 2080ti. That made it seem like the 10900K was faster at gaming than even the original 5800X. This was published in November of 2020; however, TPU also did a review of the RTX 3080 in September of 2020 (2 months prior) and RTX 3090 on September 29, 2020. So they at least had the cards.

Now I know they have a lot of these parts early, or perhaps some embargo issues, or whatever, so perhaps they didn’t quite have the 3080/3090 to test when they had the 5800X, but good journalism and data would probably have indicated a re-test with the most powerful GPUs available to try to remove any CPU bottlenecks before releasing the article. After all, a GPU limited test is a GPU test, not a CPU test.

Now this doesn’t really mean they fudged any numbers, but perhaps the hardware choices were a little more than coincidental. I also find it really hard to believe the 5800X was a slower performer than the 10900K at 720p, even with just a 2080ti. The 10900K even with an OC is significantly slower in compute per cycle.

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Reviewers are usually not scientists. They have scripts given to them by AMD, Intel and Nvidia. Most of the time they run their scripts and get their loot and post on their site.

One huge red flag is NVDIA doesn’t want reviews to have a closed chassis when benchmarking (ie to help throttling). Problem is most people don’t have open air gaming rigs. There’s a German site that would warm up for 20min before taking any data from anyone. They found some hardware to be much worse in depending on various temps of hardware (ie Radeon cooler problems from back in the day).

That’s why I always say it’s good to read but compare to others. People test differently and your scenario might be different than someone else. Especially, when things like new drivers are concerned.

On a somewhat related note it looks like a Radeon 7900 XTX is overtaking a RTX 4090 in large scale PVP with full RT now. A 5800X3D is a required paring but something to keep our eyes on as both vendors have new drivers rolling out over time.

Actually according to Michael (aka W1zzard) the GPUs and CPUs pretty much came at the same time, in fact the RTX 3090 came after the 5800x. So in order to make posting deadlines he used the RTX 2080ti. Not the best choice and I agree with you, results looked confusing. That said he used the same set of games for his tests and is rather substantial in size compared to other reviews sites. I mean you can wear a tinfoil hat on your head like some people and complain about scripts if tests don’t go your own way but that’s fanboy rhetoric. Also a valid reason why someone should look at several different reviews and try to take in the whole picture as you are aware.

Well you know I’m definitely no AMD fanboy, but credit due where credits earned.

And I agree, you have to look at a bunch of reviews before making a decision. It just seems to me that TPU data often doesn’t jive with the rest of the community.

Luckily the differences aren’t so big these days that even if you end up getting an interior product (ahem 10900kf looking at you, stupid dog man in the mirror) based on reviews, it won’t really be that bad anyways.

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I always say the only fanboy you should be is the one for your own brand, no one else is looking out for your money.

Sometimes, but really you can make that claim about a lot of review sites. I like reading anandtech, toms. TPU, techspot/hardware unboxed and make my own decisions. I recall in the past, gamers nexus making some claims and coming up with data that no one else had as well.

Like you said, most modern CPUs are really overkill for gaming unless you want to argue about benchmarks or chase ridiculous FPS that most people can’t really tell the difference of. You can pick up CPUs like the Ryzen 5500 or i3 12100F for around $100 (last I checked) and get Ryzen 3600 / Intel 8700 performance. Those were go to gaming CPUs just two years ago, the gaming world has not changed that much since then.

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I will say that coming off my 13700KF to the i7-8700K was noticeable in some tasks.

I was working on my older 8700K system just last night, and things like Windows updates, driver installs, game unpacking…very noticeable difference in time to completion.

Suppose not really surprised given the 13700KF is almost 2x as fast in single threaded performance, and what, 3 times faster in multi?

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if you look at something like cinebench in multi, you will see the 13700K 3.5x faster. Out of curiosity, while noticeable how much longer did the 8700k take? When I do Windows updates even on my work PC which has a 10400, they may be 2-5 seconds longer than my 12600k or 9700k. Noticeable but I’m hardly staring at my phone looking for something to do while I’m waiting.

Not sure on specifics, it is just butt dynos. Things that seem like they should be instant or near instant just aren’t, and things just feel like they should not take so long to do than they do.

I think 8th gen also has some more severe security fix related performance impacts than the later gens.

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So did the 9K series. The 10K series the fixes were on silicon. This is why the 9900K had the worst drops in end game PVP. You had to turn off HT for better performance.
Windows loaded the fixes in by force. At least in Linux you could turn it off via kernel parameters.

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People don’t think desktop snappiness is important, but it does once you’ve gotten used to it :rofl:

My wife is on a 9900K with a 3070 still but reports no issues. But mostly plays FF14 or others. Not WoW.

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If we’re talking about the branch prediction stuff, I was able to disable the major security fixes in Windows 10 for my 8700k very easily and kept the same performance from before the bugs were even discovered. Psure I did it in the registry. There is software that can do it for you now.

Never understood “fanboys”. These are Tech companies. Not s sports teams. Also they are not your friends.

IMO being a “fanboy or fangirl” of either side is just silly. You should just buy from whoever is making the best chip for you and tech you need at the time of doing your build. For me it was AMD because their socket had an upgrade path. If the shoe had been on the other foot I would have bought intel over AMD. If they both had an upgrade path I still would have picked intel because they support faster RAM.

Here ya go Sal, leaked AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D guideline review by them (6% faster than the 13900k). Not bad

ht tps://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-is-6-faster-in-gaming-than-core-i9-13900k-according-to-leaked-amd-review-guide

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