Can we please prune this ability from subtlety? If I wanted to play a poison oriented spec, I’d either play feral druid or assassin rogue.
You guys could easily remove it and bake the partial AoE talent (replicating shadows) into one of our other attacks like Shadowstrike.
But, how would I stop hostile Rogues from getting clean restealths? 
What about the million DoTs from other classes that can do the same thing?
Or here’s an idea. Maybe they can blend it in with something like shiv? But instead of making it a big damage mandatory DoT, make it something less important but still has its niche uses for keeping rogues from restealthing?
In PvE it’s just another bloated button they created that could easily be eliminated and baked into another attack.
Maybe add a small bleed effect to symbols of death?
I suppose there are other ways. But, that might make it annoying to keep up.
At the end of the day, though. I think Blizzard just wants Rogues in PVE to have a lot of timers to watch. Watching Rupture, Slice and Dice, Shadow Dance, and other CDs you grab in the tree…
rupture is a bleed not poison.
how about git gud instead of prune. The word bloat is being thrown around so much now, its starting to just be another way of saying “you suck at pressing buttons and too lazy to learn”
Speak for yourself. I like my shadow bleed.
For the first time since WotLK ive been playing sub, big phat ruptures are one of my favorite things about the spec.
It just feels right.
Sub rogue didn’t have bleeds in legion and it absolutely sucked. So no.
People forget that sub rogues consistent dmg used to be (and still should be… talking to u blizz) garrote/hemo/rupture lol
Well, there is a reason for and it has nothing to do with players sucking.
Nope, pick dark brew and it turns to powerful shadow dot. Subtlety has always used rupture then sorry pruning happened with garrote and gouge. Id take garrote over sepsis any day to return even if it didnt silence.
A 10% increase would be nice to find weakness again like it was on ptr since night stalker does not work at all (intended since it isnt hooked up)
Because nightblade was garbage. They slapped sanguinary vein on it which was nice for 15% damage but NB sucked. Would have loved SV to be back on rupture / garrote / hemo again though.
Exactly, take out sepsis and throw hemo / garrote back in with SV and our consistent damage will be better again.
They said they were looking at taking damage out of dance which im cool with and throwing it back into our class. All they did was buff shadowdust for pve only which is whatever. Meanwhile ferals gain all rogue passives now and are on their 3rd rework .
Since nightstalker doesnt work, it would be great if it turned to FW getting amped by 10% or if serrated blades came back where targets affected by rupture/ garrote also had 9% armor reduction and bleeds did increased damage like in wrath.